Mephisto Vs tiamut

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Mephisto got blown to smithereens by a kid Franklin Richards. To claim that this would be a difficult fight for Tiamut, let alone the idea that Mephisto could even win, is just outright asinine.

In this thread he is given all of the power that he would have while being inside of his realm. Call it what you will, but don't pretend to be shocked by my answer while knowing why I felt that Mephisto may win. Galactus wasn't able to beat him under those conditions, so if you're saying that Tiamut would easily crush Galactus, you may need some hard proof to prove your stance.

Originally posted by Stoic
In this thread he is given all of the power that he would have while being inside of his realm. Call it what you will, but don't pretend to be shocked by my answer while knowing why I felt that Mephisto may win. Galactus wasn't able to beat him under those condition, so if you're saying that Tiamut would easily crush Galactus, you may need some hard proof to prove your stance.

The Galactus that Mephisto fought was deprived of a planetary feast prior to the battle. Tiamut is on par with a fed Galactus, and a full power Franklin(who's atomized Mephisto within his own realm).

Plus, Tiamut has also demonstrated the power to completely overtake a pocket dimension(which is what Mephisto's realm is), in the process undoing the pocket dimension's resident Supreme Being.

How do you think Mephisto will counter Tiamut literally usurping the very fabric of Hades from Mephisto's essence? Or if he just atomizes him to oblivion ala Franklin?

You're just picking Mephisto in order to stick out from the majority opinion. Which doesn't validate your stance in any way whatsoever.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
You do realize that it was Mephisto in his realm when he was crushed by Franklin Richards? Or that in their next meeting(which was again within Mephisto's realm), Mephisto was practically shitting his pants at the sight of Franklin?

The Galactus that Mephisto fought was deprived of a planetary feast prior to the battle. Tiamut is on par with a fed Galactus, and a full power Franklin(who's atomized Mephisto within his own realm).

Plus, Tiamut has also demonstrated the power to completely overtake a pocket dimension(which is what Mephisto's realm is), in the process undoing the pocket dimension's resident Supreme Being.

How do you think Mephisto will counter Tiamut literally usurping the very fabric of Hades from Mephisto's essence? Or if he just atomizes him to oblivion ala Franklin?

You're just picking Mephisto in order to stick out from the majority opinion. Which doesn't validate your stance in any way whatsoever.

First of all do not pretend to know what I have picked, or why my stance is what it is, or you may fall victim to several colorful words. I said what I meant, do not read into it more than what it was. Also inserting Franklin into this is your first mistake. These are clearly two different characters. They may have also been penned by two different writers, which if is the case, you really have no firm backing to your opinion, and should cease from pulling Franklin Richards into a Mephisto vs Tiamut discussion.

By now you clearly know why I believe that Mephisto could give Tiamut a difficult time while being supported by his native realm, so don't pretend to guess why I made the choice that I did, when we both know that you already know.

Originally posted by Stoic
First of all do not pretend to know what I have picked, or why my stance is what it is, or you may fall victim to several colorful words. I said what I meant, do not read into it more than what it was. Also inserting Franklin into this is your first mistake. These are clearly two different characters. They may have also been penned by two different writers, which if is the case, you really have no firm backing to your opinion, and should cease from pulling Franklin Richards into a Mephisto vs Tiamut discussion.

By now you clearly know why I believe that Mephisto could give Tiamut a difficult time while being supported by his native realm, so don't pretend to guess why I made the choice that I did, when we both know that you already know.

How is inserting Franklin a mistake? Celestials, by and large, have been established to be his peers, and Tiamut is one of the most powerful ones ever, so he is by default Franklin's peer. I fail to see how different characters being penned by different writers has any relevancy here, particularly when a weakened Tiamut was referenced as being the mightiest of the 4th Host of Celestials, the very same Host one of whose members no-sold a pissed off Franklin.

Mephisto won't give Tiamut a hard time at all, based on the on-panel evidence that we have. We have seen Mephisto within his realm only managing to stalemate a hungry Galactus(who'd get crushed by Tiamut), we've seen Mephisto within his realm getting atomized by a kid Franklin Richards(whose far more powerful adult counterpart was nearly killed by 3 alternate reality renegade Celestials), and we've seen what happens when Tiamut invades a pocket realm.

The winner is very obvious in this thread, and he wins this rather easily. And it's not Mephisto.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I don't need to pretend that you're favoring Mephisto(were the fight to happen in a comic), in this thread, because you made that obvious pages ago. Your colorful words will be rendered colorless by my even more colorful response.

How is inserting Franklin a mistake? Celestials, by and large, have been established to be his peers, and Tiamut is one of the most powerful ones ever, so he is by default Franklin's peer. I fail to see how different characters being penned by different writers has any relevancy here, particularly when a weakened Tiamut was referenced as being the mightiest of the 4th Host of Celestials, the very same Host one of whose members no-sold a pissed off Franklin.

Mephisto won't give Tiamut a hard time at all, based on the on-panel evidence that we have. We have seen Mephisto within his realm only managing to stalemate a hungry Galactus(who'd get crushed by Tiamut), we've seen Mephisto within his realm getting atomized by a kid Franklin Richards(whose far more powerful adult counterpart was nearly killed by 3 alternate reality renegade Celestials), and we've seen what happens when Tiamut invades a pocket realm.

The winner is very obvious in this thread, and he wins this rather easily. And it's not Mephisto.

Franklin has a different power-set than Mephisto, and perhaps Tiamut. Mephisto is a magical or metaphysical character, while Tiamut seems to be more of a super science type entity. Galactus had a scrimmage with the Inbetweener as well, and had similar success against him. Who won that fight? It looked pretty even to me. I saw and read the scan of what Franklin did to Mephisto in that instance, but it's not to say that another writer would see Tiamut doing that to him just because Franklin was able to. This is why I said that I would not be surprised if Mephisto were able to defeat a being of Tiamut's stature, or at least make him work very hard for it.

Mephisto appeared to be more dominant than Galactus within his realm, and it seemed to me that if Galactus had nothing to feed upon, that in a matter of moments he was going to lose. Don't forget that all characters have their high's and their lows, and it's clear to me at least that Mephisto was at a low, when Franklin dealt with him so easily. Or perhaps you are correct, and the Celestial's, and Franklin are Mephisto's silver bullet, while Galactus is not.

Originally posted by Stoic
Franklin has a different power-set than Mephisto, and perhaps Tiamut. Mephisto is a magical or metaphysical character, while Tiamut seems to be more of a super science type entity. Galactus had a scrimmage with the Inbetweener as well, and had similar success against him. Who won that fight? It looked pretty even to me. I saw and read the scan of what Franklin did to Mephisto in that instance, but it's not to say that another writer would see Tiamut doing that to him just because Franklin was able to. This is why I said that I would not be surprised if Mephisto were able to defeat a being of Tiamut's stature, or at least make him work very hard for it.

Mephisto appeared to be more dominant than Galactus within his realm, and it seemed to me that if Galactus had nothing to feed upon, that in a matter of moments he was going to lose. Don't forget that all characters have their high's and their lows, and it's clear to me at least that Mephisto was at a low, when Franklin dealt with him so easily. Or perhaps you are correct, and the Celestial's, and Franklin are Mephisto's silver bullet, while Galactus is not.

Galactus was hungry against the In-Betweener as well. Just like the Mephisto fight. Why do you keep ignoring this important bit of context? We've seen a fed Galactus defeat Odin without so much as lifting a finger to defend himself. Hell, a hungry Galactus is confident enough in his power against a skyfather. That's the level of power a fed Galactus operates upon.

You do realize that under a different writer, Tiamut's mere awakening blinded the Watcher and evoked fear from Galactus.

Mephisto wasn't more dominant than Galactus at all, unless you consider his more aggressive speech mannerisms as a display of superiority. 😆

How is an amped Mephisto, who easily dispatched Classic Doctor Strange, at a low when Franklin beat him? If anything, it cements the fact that a Galactus/Celestial level being is a whole tier beyond skyfatherish characters like Mephisto.

Silver Bullet? I have already provided the reason why Galactus only stalemated Mephisto, the same reason why he stalemated Agamotto or the In-Betweener. It's because he was UNFED aka HUNGRY. A fed Galactus would one-shot Mephisto to death the same Scrier one-shotted Mephisto to death.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

How is an amped Mephisto,
who easily dispatched Classic Doctor Strange,
at a low when Franklin beat him?

We can't tell if Mephisto's amp left before he got floored, or right after,
but it was definitely not there when Franklin destroyed him:

Originally posted by Mr Master
It should be noted:

We can't tell if Mephisto's amp left before he got floored, or right after,
but it was definitely not there when Franklin destroyed him:

Tiamut wins.

Btw, which one is the official MU canon: Tiamut transcending to the next level of existence with Fulcrum? Or Tiamut being embarrassingly taken apart by the likes of High Evolutionary and Mr Sinister, and finally killed off?

Elder God and Sky Father can hang with a hungry Galactus and so can low-end cosmic abstracts like In-Betweener, but that doesn't mean that a low sky father level in Mephisto or any sky father or elder god can hang with a high end cosmic in Tiamut.

Areshem dismissed the three most powerful sky fathers: Odin.Zeus and Vishnu, and Tiamut is consider superior to Areshem, what anybody in their right mind would think a low sky father/ hell lord can mess with high end cosmic, I don't understand the logic :/

Originally posted by Magnon
Btw, which one is the official MU canon: Tiamut transcending to the next level of existence with Fulcrum? Or Tiamut being embarrassingly taken apart by the likes of High Evolutionary and Mr Sinister, and finally killed off?

Although he'll likely be back in the next story involving the Dreaming Celestial. Strangely speaking, writers don't even refer him by his real name anymore. Just goes to show how much of a shit they give.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Both.

Although he'll likely be back in the next story involving the Dreaming Celestial. Strangely speaking, writers don't even refer him by his real name anymore. Just goes to show how much of a shit they give.

Ok, thanks. Although I don't see how both story lines could be simultaneously true... Ah well, I'll just treat it as yet another inconsistency.

Celestials can never "die". Wish Gaiman writes the next Eternals again when Tiamut returns

Originally posted by guy222
Celestials can never "die".

Originally posted by guy222
Wish Gaiman writes the next Eternals again when Tiamut returns

Tiamut

Yes he does Gaiman did a masterful job. When Tiamt awoke was fantastic

Tiamut wins.