Defense of Marriage Act 'Struck Down 5-4' By Supreme Court

http://projects.nytimes.com/live-dashboard/2013-06-26-supreme-court-gay-marriage

Ninja'd by Omega; mods, lock this thread.

Good times.

Well, unless you are a minority and value your voting rights, then it's bad times, I guess.

Ninja'd again; this time by the staff lol.

Anyway, congratulations to the victorious, condolences to the defeated. This is a pivotal day for US politics.

And the shitstorm begins.

Good, one step forward.

Most people will look back at this like most people now look back on the anti-miscegenation laws and think "wtf was wrong with people".

I think it's bullshit that they don't allow CSPAN-style video recording of the Supreme Court in session. The Supreme Court is arguably the place that most needs that kind of transparency considering it's the non-democratic branch of government.

it's one of those issues where I'm happy with the result, but more disappointed it had to come to this...

Did they uphold prop 8?

Originally posted by Cyner
Did they uphold prop 8?

From what I've read they ruled it unconstitutional. Hence victory dance (not sure about your politics, but you can join in regardless).

Scalia's dissent was engrossing, replete with his eloquent but vaguely caustic disposition. Roberts' was boring as hell.

Originally posted by Cyner
Did they uphold prop 8?

"The court struck down DOMA by a vote of 5-4. The court dismissed the Proposition 8 case on the grounds that the defense lacked standing, making gay marriage legal again in California."

"We have no power to invalidate his democratically elected legislation."

Um, really Justice Scalia? I'm pretty sure there's a lot of precedent for the Supreme Court deeming things unconstitutional. Removing that power wouldn't put the branches in balance, like he seems to think, it would make the Supreme Court powerless.

The man's an assclown. He had no problem sodomizing the Voting Rights Act, which was also "democratically adopted".

He's acting like any other intelligent, educated, but deeply biased operative. And he's not alone. People like that on both sides.

Prop 8 should not have been dismissed, if it was dismissed because the defense lacked standing, then how the heck did it get an appeal in the first place?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
"We have no power to invalidate his democratically elected legislation."

Um, really Justice Scalia? I'm pretty sure there's a lot of precedent for the Supreme Court deeming things unconstitutional. Removing that power wouldn't put the branches in balance, like he seems to think, it would make the Supreme Court powerless.

I think he forgot that the US Government was founded on the notion of certain "inalienable rights". That's a pretty damn important function for the "interpreting the law" branch of the government.

Originally posted by Robtard
Most people will look back at this like most people now look back on the anti-miscegenation laws and think "wtf was wrong with people".

I think we'll look back on it and think of it as a stepping stone to a more complex and robust legal social system. I think the concept of "marriage" is on its way out.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I think he forgot that the US Government was founded on the notion of certain "inalienable rights". That's a pretty damn important function for the "interpreting the law" branch of the government.

I suspect its based on the "originalist" view that conservatives have been taking in the last twenty years, since the power of judicial review is not in the constitution. Of course, neither are check-and-balances.

Originally posted by Cyner
Prop 8 should not have been dismissed, if it was dismissed because the defense lacked standing, then how the heck did it get an appeal in the first place?

so is it that you are upset gay people are allowed to marry, or do you have a legitimate grievance with court procedure?

Originally posted by Oliver North
so is it that you are upset gay people are allowed to marry, or do you have a legitimate grievance with court procedure?

It's stupid that the court can just dismiss something because the state is too lazy to defend it. Prop 8 was voted on twice, with the same result.

I don't care if gays get married as long as it doesn't intrude on religious liberties, such as being able to choose to not marry gay couples in a church. I still greatly dislike homosexuality and the propaganda associated, but those are still people, people who deserve justice. Even if I don't like them.

(meanwhile my best friend is gay, lel)