Who are the scarier villains in their own universes

Originally posted by juggerman
Disagree. Let's move on

And i explained how you were wrong

As humans with guns are on the same level. You seem to think Vold was overly impressive cuz he kept his men in fear as a drug lord might. Not that impressive imo

People did not know that so your point is moot. Popular belief was that a baby Potter defeated the most powerful dark wizard in history. Defeated on the battlefield is much more impressive than that

Wrong watch the scene again. They just stood there. No one attacked him except that one man that cut the ring off. That's far more fear than was ever shown to Tom

Again they believed the word to be cursed as can happen in that verse. No need to fear a curse if you believe you're going to die regardless

See above

Negative. He never showed fear of Tom.

You were incorrect.

He was more formidable than a drug lord with a gun. He assured his own immortality which is another reason people feared him.

We see the truth and despite this people still greatly feared him. The Minister of Magic shit his pants at the mere sight of him.

They were in awe of the ring and he was taken down pretty quickly. He stabbed the ring off his hand. Tom's voice had people shitting their pants far more than Sauron ever did even while on the battlefield.

She did not tell he he'd die but that he'd try to kill him either way.

During their fight, in preparation of trying to outplan him, etc.

To not fear him is downright stupid. He will kill you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When he says my Lord again you can plainly see the fear and again at the point of death.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Cant compare him actually dying to just the potential of it. And think about it from what you said; Snape is alone with the Tom talking to him about the EW situation calmly. And when is this fear shown? When Tom's about to pull the trigger. If someone's about to shoot you, who it is doesn't change the fact that you're dead in half a second. Fearing death doesn't mean he's fearing Tom, right?

You fear someone killing you so you fear the guy with the power to do so.

Except the fear your talking about didn't appear until the trigger was to be pulled. Point if if he showed fear it was minuscule and mostly related to the idea of dying. Snape did not fear Tom for Tom.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Except the fear your talking about didn't appear until the trigger was to be pulled. Point if if he showed fear it was minuscule and mostly related to the idea of dying. Snape did not fear Tom for Tom.

He was scared of him. Obvious.

He was playing his part. Disobeying him and going on his own offensive would have gotten him killed 😐

If you can show me the times he was..

Originally posted by BloodRain
He was playing his part. Disobeying him and going on his own offensive would have gotten him killed 😐

If you can show me the times he was..

At least go out with some dignity not like some submissive chump.

I already have you are pretending now people don't fear other people for hurting or killing them. That's why people feared Voldemort.

Yes, after putting a wrench in the works. Playing his part did more than attacking ever would.

So they feared him like a druglord or mob boss?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Yes, [b]after putting a wrench in the works. Playing his part did more than attacking ever would.

So they feared him like a druglord or mob boss? [/B]

In a sense but the point is people have a high fear of drug lords but I see Voldemort as the one and only true threat.

When someone points a gun at you, what do you do? Tom hit him before Snape had time to act.

Never denied nearly everyone fearing him (the Snape thing is that not every single person did), thats why I feel he's a close second in this thread matchup. And the main reason I put Sauron above is as its like comparing a mob boss to a war tyrant. Similar fear on two different scales.

Originally posted by BloodRain
When someone points a gun at you, what do you do? Tom hit him before Snape had time to act.

Never denied nearly everyone fearing him (the Snape thing is that not every single person did), thats why I feel he's a close second in this thread matchup. And the main reason I put Sauron above is as its like comparing a mob boss to a war tyrant. Similar fear on two different scales.

Voldemort didn't need a ring to domineer the races like Sauron. Voldemort to me inspired more fear. To me the Minister of Magic shitting himself at the sight of him perfectly illustrates the fear he invoked.

And? He could know it was coming and Tom's wand would still be pointing at him. Reaching for his wand would kill him.

He had ruling and fear before the rings were forged. Yes, that moment was a huge shock to them, keeping in mind that part of that shock was due to them thinking he was dead until then.

Originally posted by BloodRain
And? He could know it was coming and Tom's wand would still be pointing at him. Reaching for his wand would kill him.

He had ruling and fear before the rings were forged. Yes, that moment was a huge shock to them, keeping in mind that part of that shock was due to them thinking he was dead until then.

The ring gave him dominion over them. Minus the ring he was nowhere near as formidable.

Voldemort speaks and people shit their bricks.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Fine.

You were incorrect.

He was more formidable than a drug lord with a gun. He assured his own immortality which is another reason people feared him.

We see the truth and despite this people still greatly feared him. The Minister of Magic shit his pants at the mere sight of him.

They were in awe of the ring and he was taken down pretty quickly. He stabbed the ring off his hand. Tom's voice had people shitting their pants far more than Sauron ever did even while on the battlefield.

She did not tell he he'd die but that he'd try to kill him either way.

During their fight, in preparation of trying to outplan him, etc.

To not fear him is downright stupid. He will kill you.

Negative. You were and are wrong here

It doesn't matter as your point is destroyed. He was feared by beings with generally the same ability as himself... like a drug lord.

They were in awe of Sauron. Even without the ring he was greatly feared. Tom's voice never had people standing around waiting to be slaughtered in groups

When Tom tries to kill you, normally you die. Unless you're a baby or Dumbledore of course. Seeing as how they were neither there was a good chance Tom would succeed. So why fear a word when death was pretty much assured? Again just like a person with lung cancer, why avoid smoking when the cancer is trying to kill you regardless

Negative. Tom showed fear at the end of the fight with Albus. Fearing death/injury/ect does not mean you fear Tom. He was afraid for others and it shows

Well i guess Albus was stupid, and Harry, and all others that openly opposed him eh?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You already admitted he was scared of death which Voldemort supplied.
The ring gave him dominion over them. Minus the ring he was nowhere near as formidable.

Voldemort speaks and people shit their bricks.

He was already in the war-tyrant stages in the First age. Yeah the Ring made him more formidable, but so what? Its in his possession and it made him more fearsome.

Whom exactly?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Whom exactly?

Wormtail 😬

Was thinking more on the good guys side, and not from cowards.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Was thinking more on the good guys side, and not from cowards.

Me too. He spoke very loudly at the battle of Hogrartz and i don't recall any bricks being shat

Originally posted by juggerman
Negative. You were and are wrong here

It doesn't matter as your point is destroyed. He was feared by beings with generally the same ability as himself... like a drug lord.

They were in awe of Sauron. Even without the ring he was greatly feared. Tom's voice never had people standing around waiting to be slaughtered in groups

When Tom tries to kill you, normally you die. Unless you're a baby or Dumbledore of course. Seeing as how they were neither there was a good chance Tom would succeed. So why fear a word when death was pretty much assured? Again just like a person with lung cancer, why avoid smoking when the cancer is trying to kill you regardless

Negative. Tom showed fear at the end of the fight with Albus. Fearing death/injury/ect does not mean you fear Tom. He was afraid for others and it shows

Well i guess Albus was stupid, and Harry, and all others that openly opposed him eh?

False. Most drug lords have power over men and aren't formidable in combat.

The ring clearly had them in awe due to having dominion over them. They were scared shitless. They also stood around while he talked shit to them after he just assaulted their school.

Baby had protection and his Horcrux was going to kill Dumbledore. Voldemort>>>Dumbledore. They feared the wizard not the word. They feared him because they'd be foolish not too.

No, he did not. He stood over Harry's body while Albus looked terrified. Albus was scared for Harry, obvious is obvious.

They feared him. You act like you can't oppose someone and fear them. Sauron feared Aragorn. 😂

Originally posted by BloodRain
And you're admitting that it wasn't Tom he feared, but dying.

He was already in the war-tyrant stages in the First age. Yeah the Ring made him more formidable, but so what? Its in his possession and it made him more fearsome.

Whom exactly?

That's what made him that formidable.

Hogwarts scene.