Who are the scarier villains in their own universes

Originally posted by quanchi112
Vader was an enforcer but now you distance yourself.

Snape was scared of him and not all were scared to look him in the eye but we scare nonetheless. Voldemort killed Snape so he was actually wrong not to fear him more. Le Strange looked down often. She was scared of him.

They were scared of him. We see him kill one of their own.

A man defeated Sauron one on one. 😂 There were no tricks or sabotaged maces just a victory.

Voldemort scared wizards who all had the same basic abilities. That's far more impressive.

Vader is not in this. You should stay on topic. But since it's out there I'll play. No one was seen to fear Vader like these others were feared. Even in his presence people talked shit right to his face err mask. I only remember Lando being actually afraid of him. The title "enforcer" doesn't really mean anything here

Snape was working against him. Fear didn't stop him. Lestrange was in love with him. She was afraid yes but not to the point you seem to think

He wasn't too scared to not speak out. You give him too much credit. Mob bosses hold that level of fear

Didn't really affect them fearing him tho. Besides context is everything. No one would have been able to replicate that since it only occured due to him letting down his guard and reaching for something and a lucky shot. everyone else was scared shitless. No one even attacked him and he was mere feet away.

Voldemort did, but again not everyone was scared of him. Kids had the nerve to stand against him. Openly i might add. Weak kids....

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dumbledore feared Voldemort.

Negative

Originally posted by NemeBro
Prove it.

Originally posted by juggerman
Vader is not in this. You should stay on topic. But since it's out there I'll play. No one was seen to fear Vader like these others were feared. Even in his presence people talked shit right to his face err mask. I only remember Lando being actually afraid of him. The title "enforcer" doesn't really mean anything here

Snape was working against him. Fear didn't stop him. Lestrange was in love with him. She was afraid yes but not to the point you seem to think

He wasn't too scared to not speak out. You give him too much credit. Mob bosses hold that level of fear

Didn't really affect them fearing him tho. Besides context is everything. No one would have been able to replicate that since it only occured due to him letting down his guard and reaching for something and a lucky shot. everyone else was scared shitless. No one even attacked him and he was mere feet away.

Voldemort did, but again not everyone was scared of him. Kids had the nerve to stand against him. Openly i might add. Weak kids....

Yes, secretly working against him. He died. He shoved her down when she tried to help him up.

He was scared of Voldemort before he attacked him.

Just like heroes attacking Voldemort were scared too. I did not say it was something which could occur again I just said your while Hes on another level is shit since a human far less powerful still beat him.

Kids has no choice. They were also aided by adults. Harry was marked so he had no choice but to resist as he was not going to stop.

You can't change the fact that Voldemort was more feared by his own men than Sauron.

Originally posted by juggerman
Negative

Originally posted by quanchi112
I gave an example to show you the error of your ways. His own men feared him as did the rebels. Vader was feared but the only reason I bring it up is because he was feared in a universe which now as bigger that that doesn't mean anything.

Yes, secretly working against him. He died. He shoved her down when she tried to help him up.

He was scared of Voldemort before he attacked him.

Just like heroes attacking Voldemort were scared too. I did not say it was something which could occur again I just said your while Hes on another level is shit since a human far less powerful still beat him.

Kids has no choice. They were also aided by adults. Harry was marked so he had no choice but to resist as he was not going to stop.

You can't change the fact that Voldemort was more feared by his own men than Sauron.

He still wasn't feared by more people which was your arguement. If you believe he was then i assume you'll be providing some actual evidence besides simply saying "enforcer" and "bigger universe'

And lying to his face on a daily. Not too afraid to work successfully against the man. And her being shoved shows her fear now?

Not too scared that he didn't speak out. You're tring to make it seem like everyone was acting like Wormtail when they clearly were not. they feared him no more than a druglord is feared by his men

Vold's entire army was being attacked while he was right there with them. But as soon as Sauron showed up everyone stopped dead in their tracks. Speaks volumes.

Ron had no choice? Or Hermione? Neville? They all had choices and they chose to stand against him.

We don't know that for sure as Sauron was not shon around his men. But Sauron was clearly feared by his enemies more.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why wouldn't he fear him. ?

Nothing shows him fearing Voldemort. Just cuz most others did does not mean he automatically did as well

Originally posted by juggerman
He still wasn't feared by more people which was your arguement. If you believe he was then i assume you'll be providing some actual evidence besides simply saying "enforcer" and "bigger universe'

And lying to his face on a daily. Not too afraid to work successfully against the man. And her being shoved shows her fear now?

Not too scared that he didn't speak out. You're tring to make it seem like everyone was acting like Wormtail when they clearly were not. they feared him no more than a druglord is feared by his men

Vold's entire army was being attacked while he was right there with them. But as soon as Sauron showed up everyone stopped dead in their tracks. Speaks volumes.

Ron had no choice? Or Hermione? Neville? They all had choices and they chose to stand against him.

We don't know that for sure as Sauron was not shon around his men. But Sauron was clearly feared by his enemies more.

Nothing shows him fearing Voldemort. Just cuz most others did does not mean he automatically did as well

He worked against him in secret. That's what cowards do. Yes, she wouldn't look up and say anything. Voldemort ruled his troops mercilessly.

Feared him far more than a drug lord as they wouldn't even back talk him, ever.

They were in awe of the ring. It holds dominion over them. Got over their fear in 15 seconds. Hogwarts stood in attention and allowed Voldemort to speak and tell them he'd kill those who did not join. Neville back talked as Voldemort laughed at him. Harry jumped up causing a sea of panic and confusion since they all thought he was dead.

Yes, as did the armies who stood against Sauron. Sauron feared Aragorn for crying out loud. He feared someone far less powerful than himself.

No, he was not. Completely false. They weren't afraid to speak his name.

We see the fear on him and the fear on him in his memories with Snape trying to plan against Voldemort.

Feared him far more than a drug lord as they wouldn't even back talk him, ever

Originally posted by BloodRain
Like a drug lord?

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's pretty obvious since Vader was generally known throughout the galaxy. Galaxy>>planets in terms of populations.

He worked against him in secret. That's what cowards do. Yes, she wouldn't look up and say anything. Voldemort ruled his troops mercilessly.

Feared him far more than a drug lord as they wouldn't even back talk him, ever.

They were in awe of the ring. It holds dominion over them. Got over their fear in 15 seconds. Hogwarts stood in attention and allowed Voldemort to speak and tell them he'd kill those who did not join. Neville back talked as Voldemort laughed at him. Harry jumped up causing a sea of panic and confusion since they all thought he was dead.

Yes, as did the armies who stood against Sauron. Sauron feared Aragorn for crying out loud. He feared someone far less powerful than himself.

No, he was not. Completely false. They weren't afraid to speak his name.

We see the fear on him and the fear on him in his memories with Snape trying to plan against Voldemort.

Known=/=feared. Try again

Ruled doesn't automatically prove he was feared to the extent you claim. And clearly he didn't since Snape and Black betrayed him which led to his downfall

Same with drug lords buddy. Hell the Mandarin held that kind of power and he was just a pawn

Sauron was swinging and killing unmolested. Not one person as much as tried to attack him even tho they were being cut down like grass. Of course they stunned that Harry(their one believed hope) was dead. Neville walked right up to Voldemort and told him what's what. He was not scared of Vold at all

Armies stood against his armies. Once he showed up they all froze even while being slaughtered. Who/what they fear has no bearing on the fear they instill in others so moot point

He was, you know it. They were only afraid to speak Vold's name cuz they believed it to be cursed which is highly possible in that world. Not impressive as KIDS were not scared.

In the memories he feared for Lily, James and Harry. He was never shown to fear him and we even see him stroll right up to Vold and shit talk him. He was not scared

Originally posted by BloodRain
Like a drug lord?

Pretty much 👆

Originally posted by quanchi112
People backstab and rat out drug lords all the time. Drug lords don't overtake the governments they oppose. Voldemort was the baddest wizard in existence.

You mean exactly like Vold was back stabbed and ratted out by Snape and Black?

EDIT: And even Malfoy's mom? And i believe Wormtail even ended up helping the kids get out of the Malfoy's house

Originally posted by juggerman
Known=/=feared. Try again

Ruled doesn't automatically prove he was feared to the extent you claim. And clearly he didn't since Snape and Black betrayed him which led to his downfall

Same with drug lords buddy. Hell the Mandarin held that kind of power and he was just a pawn

Sauron was swinging and killing unmolested. Not one person as much as tried to attack him even tho they were being cut down like grass. Of course they stunned that Harry(their one believed hope) was dead. Neville walked right up to Voldemort and told him what's what. He was not scared of Vold at all

Armies stood against his armies. Once he showed up they all froze even while being slaughtered. Who/what they fear has no bearing on the fear they instill in others so moot point

He was, you know it. They were only afraid to speak Vold's name cuz they believed it to be cursed which is highly possible in that world. Not impressive as KIDS were not scared.

In the memories he feared for Lily, James and Harry. He was never shown to fear him and we even see him stroll right up to Vold and shit talk him. He was not scared

You can fear someone and still betray them. Case in point.

Difference is Voldemort was not all smoke and mirrors. Everyone held the same abilities and they all still feared him making him even more impressive.

Sauron was defeated quickly by someone who held far less powerful. People weren't giving speeches and this was a speech allowed by Voldemort. The other was an example of a battlefield type scenario. Neville still feared him but defied him.

People were afraid of Voldemort in the same manner. Like I said not comparable entirely due to the ring being in play there.

False as McGonagall clearly says speak his name Hes going to kill you either way.

When did he ever talk shit to Voldemort ? He was calling him my lord right before he attacked and had him killed.

Originally posted by juggerman
Pretty much 👆

You mean exactly like Vold was back stabbed and ratted out by Snape and Black?

EDIT: And even Malfoy's mom? And i believe Wormtail even ended up helping the kids get out of the Malfoy's house

She lied for her son. She was scared to death of Voldemort.

Sauron feared Aragorn.

Lackeys don't talk back to the boss which I assume is the point here.. this would make Snape the undercover cop, and Dumbledore the Chief. Sweet.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Lackeys don't talk back to the boss which I assume is the point here.. this would make Snape the undercover cop, and Dumbledore the Chief. Sweet.

Snape got killed, point?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Snape got killed, point?

Why would he? Seemed quite proud in setting up Tom's downfall.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Why would he? Seemed quite proud in setting up Tom's downfall.

A major wrench in the works. Thing is there weren't objections at this point. Tom knew about the wands function and logically who the master would be. Nothing to say and at wandpoint nothing to do. Snape danced with the devil, deceived him and showed no fear in doing so. Even with Tom saying he's going die this second.