Originally posted by KingD19
Oh. Was probably heavier then.
That's not necessarily true for Colossus.
The range I gave is for Russian n. subs only (which is specified in AQ #19)
N. Subs from other countries can be as light as 400 tons, and normal subs even lighter.
Do you have any info on the Colossus feat?
Originally posted by KingD19200 tons? That class of nuclear submarine is more like 4000+ tons, not including the extra water.
No. He actually said if he couldn't pull it off, who could? Then he walked to the sea floor and hauled a 200 ton submarine that was made even heavier from being at least partially flooded up to the beach. He was laying down seemingly passed out, but the feat was pretty much off panel so we weren't shown if he struggled or not. And he's done more impressive stuff so it might have just been them trying to show off some weird message instead of him struggling.
Originally posted by ODG
^ 200 tons? That class of nuclear submarine is more like 4000+ tons, not including the extra water.
I'm not disputing Colossus, but do you have any specifics for his sub feat?
Is there anything specific mention about it or is it just "generic undefined comic submarine design"?
Originally posted by ODG
^ It was a K-14 submarine. Very specific model.
Nice that's specific info.
According to wiki the weight of it (submerged and accounting for water displacement) is 4069 tons.
According to the description of the feat in this thread (it happened on panel, Colossus was laying on the beach after), still that puts AQ significantly higher than Colossus, since AQ's sub was much heavier (7100 to 48000 tons) and he tossed it from the ocean floor to several feat above surface in one throw.
Still good (of panel) feat fro Colossus.
A scan would be nice.
^ Your sources are incorrect. I've checked myself. If you weren't aware of this, the K-14 is actually a Russian submarine itself. So your whole "7100-48000 ton range for all Russian nuclear subs" is plainly incorrect on its face.
And frankly, your previous comment about "generic undefined comic submarine design" more aptly applies to Aquaman's feat than Ultimate Colossus'.
And here is one of the several panels specifying the submarine type which Ultimate Colossus dealt with:
Dude I just checked in wiki, the list of Russian nuke subs and checked all their weights.
I also found the k-14 model and it specifies it's weight.
Here check yourself, list of Russian nuke subs currently used, and check their individual weights yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_submarine#Soviet_.2F_Russian_Navy
As for K-14
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November-class_submarine
They are not used since 1991, they are all disposed and they weigh 4069 tons.
That's the reason they are not listed in the first list, they are not currently in use.
My sources are most definitely correct.
Here.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=382350&pagenumber=2194
In #19 it's specified that these are Russian nuke subs but no model is given.
Originally posted by comicfan11Well apparently the Russian Navy in the Ultimate Universe used an old-a$$ submarine that should have been decommissioned 11 years earlier in Utimate X-Men #18 published July 2002 because maybe comics universes don't strictly adhere to RL decommissions of submarines.
Dude I just checked in wiki, the list of Russian nuke subs and checked all their weights.I also found the k-14 model and it specifies it's weight.
Here check yourself, list of Russian nuke subs currently used, and check their individual weights yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_submarine#Soviet_.2F_Russian_Navy
As for K-14
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November-class_submarine
They are not used since 1991, they are all disposed and they weigh 4069 tons.
Originally posted by comicfan11Considering you were so quick to dismiss what class of submarine Ultimate Colossus was dealing with, I find it especially odd that you are so readily assuming that Scavenger's submarines are perfectly operating modern Russian submarines instead of repurposed subs (perhaps off of a decommissioned line?). Especially since it looked rather junky looking on-panel. An outdated submarine being used beyond its time in a fictional comic shouldn't be outside the realm of possibility in the first place, after all. Then again, they could be just some "generic undefined comic submarine design" since a RL model was never even specified. And who knows how much those weigh in the first place.
That's the reason they are not listed in the first list, they are not currently in use.My sources are most definitely correct.
Your scrutiny over Ultimate Colossus' feat is more appropriate for the Aquaman feat. Glaringly so.
Originally posted by comicfan11
Here.http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=382350&pagenumber=2194
In #19 it's specified that these are Russian nuke subs but no model is given.
I'm gonna be honest here.
That doesn't look like a very big submarine at all. From a comparison between AM and the sub, it doesn't look much bigger than 100 feet or so...
Edit. Also, I read the scans. Where exactly does ot say "nuclear submarine" or Russian for that matter?
I disagree.
In the Colossus feat a model is given (there's no disputing it's weight). You can blame the writers for using an older model but not dispute the facts.
But why should I assume that Scavenger (a high tech character, and one of DC's most well known pirates) would use anything less than the highest tech available at the time?. All through his continuity, that's what he does. His MO is using high tech to gain any advantage and having the tech advantage over his opponents.
The comic would specify an "old" sub if that was the case.
Should I assume that every time I don't see a model in a currently used vehicle, that it's something decommissioned at the time of publication? Or that it's something commonly used at that time?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
I'm gonna be honest here.That doesn't look like a very big submarine at all. From a comparison between AM and the sub, it doesn't look much bigger than 100 feet or so...
Edit. Also, I read the scans. Where exactly does ot say "nuclear submarine" or Russian for that matter?
Issue #19
The scans are from issue #21
I don't have scans from that issue.
Originally posted by comicfan11
"He usually operates out of a Russian nuclear sub he co-opted"
So, no details on the actual sub model/class/etc?
Wouldn't it make more sense to determine the size of the sub based on the art itself rather than assume that it's a specific model when no model/class was given?
For all we know, it's a sub class unique to the comic world. I mean it's not far fetched for comics to come out with their own planes, cars, etc model types, isn't it? All we know that it's a russkan nuclear sub. Crew complement looks small and it looks more like the french mini sub than it does a full sized russian military sub from the artwork.
