Originally posted by StoicYou are delusional to think Atrocitus can even win. Sure, he has decent feats but seriously, he gets destroyed. Superman got K.O'ed numerous of times in 1-3 punches. The fact that various Green Lanterns have been able to stalemate Atrocitus at times while losing to Superman should tell you who is truly superior.
Uhmmm, hmmmm. You realize that one guy does not equate to the other. Superman really isn't the benchmark for every character out there under the sun. Majestic is a match for Helspont, so I think Atrocitus would be able to do as good or better against Helspont.Atrocitus gets my vote for the win.
Also, a bit weird to say Helspont's attack is magical? Can you indicated where it even hinted that?
Helspont thrashed Superman before he [Supes] came to the realization that he needed to push himself harder than ever, in order to further develop his abilities. This was explicitly stated in Superman #13-- the same issue in which he bench-presses planetary weight for days on end. If Supes were to face 'spont now, chances are that the outcome would be different-- Superman's battle with H'el was indicative enough of that, imho.
Anyhow, 'spont likely wins.
Originally posted by Galan007
Helspont thrashed Superman before he [Supes] came to the realization that he needed to push himself harder than ever, in order to further develop his abilities. This was explicitly stated in Superman #13-- the same issue in which he bench-presses planetary weight for days on end. If Supes were to face 'spont now, chances are that the outcome would be different-- Superman's battle with H'el was indicative enough of that, imho.Anyhow, 'spont likely wins.
Really? feel like Superman needs to go a lot further.
It's not like he did that much against H'el. He hit him really hard. That's not going beyond, that's not really going a tiny bit further 😛
Superman still did much better than anyone else against H'el. At one point during issue #17, Superman even appeared to have the advantage until he got distracted.
At any rate, I'm not necessarily saying that Superman could beat Helspont currently-- just that he would almost certainly put up a much better fight than he did before entering his current 'no holding back' mindset.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You are delusional to think Atrocitus can even win. Sure, he has decent feats but seriously, he gets destroyed. Superman got K.O'ed numerous of times in 1-3 punches. The fact that various Green Lanterns have been able to stalemate Atrocitus at times while losing to Superman should tell you who is truly superior.Also, a bit weird to say Helspont's attack is magical? Can you indicated where it even hinted that?
Helspont is a Daemonite. Daemonites are magical beings. However, Jim Lee may have decided to retcon Helspont, even though he did not do this to Majestic, and several other characters from his original Image stable. Unless you guys thought that the Kherubim, and the Daemonites were somehow linked to Kryptonians genetically. They aren't but whatever.
Once again you're using two different power sets to determine the outcome of this battle. Our best bet is to keep Big Blue out of this, because he takes full damage from magical attacks, and Helspont used one against him. Note what Superman said once he got up, as well as what happened when he faced off against helspont for the first time. Helspont did not use purely physical attacks on Superman when they first met, but he was playing head games with him. Hard light characters have pretty good defenses against these types of attacks due to their rings if I remember correctly.
Attrocitus would do far better against Helspont than the inept Kryptonian (Superman).
Originally posted by Galan007
Helspont thrashed Superman before he [Supes] came to the realization that he needed to push himself harder than ever, in order to further develop his abilities. This was explicitly stated in Superman #13-- the same issue in which he bench-presses planetary weight for days on end. If Supes were to face 'spont now, chances are that the outcome would be different-- Superman's battle with H'el was indicative enough of that, imho.Anyhow, 'spont likely wins.
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@ abhilegend, you will have to prove the retcon, because Majestic still has the same powers. The only thing that I saw them do was exand on his origin, but aside from that, he looks the same, and uses his powers the same, so i assume that he is essentially the same Daemonite that he was before the New U came into being.