True Blood universe vs. Twilight Princess universe

Originally posted by quanchi112
In fiction things don't need to add all up like in reality. You pick and choose when to apply real world logic.

Rips right into their flesh. Russell drains him of his blood. Glorious.

Yes, I just explained it. Love in denial.

Worked together and she had power over the dead. Dorf is her *****.

Feats or gtfo.

So Thor's undead, too, right? Because he's been impaled through the chest but been kept alive.

Dorf's not dead, Dorf's too powerful for her. Eternal day, and a cold flash for the witch.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So again, your entire argument is that 'things don't need to make sense, so I ignore when they do!'

Feats or gtfo.

So Thor's undead, too, right? Because he's been impaled through the chest but been kept alive.

Dorf's not dead, Dorf's too powerful for her. Eternal day, and a cold flash for the witch.

Already done so.

His wounds were healed and not the same bro.

Yes, he's currently standing around dead. Marnie uses him. She can also make him forget who he is.

That's not what I said. I said you're ignoring instances that do make sense to fit your bias.

No feat supplied lets him harm them.

Same idea, bro, having a hole in his chest doesn't kill Thor, and it doesn't kill Ganon either. Notably neither are vampires.

Not without much better feats than she has, and the ability to effect the living, she can't.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thats a ridiculous theory just recently unproven. We see it ko a really old faerie. Acting like it just works on humans and vampires is one of the most absurd things I have ever heard.
They wanted to feed. That's all. Russell fed whereas Newlin was tagged. Bottom line. She showed the reflexes to easily tag Newlin. Russell isn't stupid and was clever. Far faster since she tagged him mid blitz easily.

Billith can use tk and now we know Warlow has no known weaknesses yet since he's a hybrid. It's also painfully obvious with the modern weaponry they'd rape Hyrule ten times over despite this.

Contradicting your old words? When entering as soon as they get a whiff they start doing the quarter-stumble walk you see in tipsy people, Steve is even spinning around jumping and clasping at the air. That and both of them aimlessly running back and forth in the field, they were obviously not completely sober. Add the slowest vamp with the tipsy walk we saw, and the Fae's reactions are low superhuman.

Sunlight, silver, fire, how to kill for Bill.. still would prefer to know more about his inner workings before we make the what can and can't kill him theories.

Someone's going to need to explain to me this whole undead Ganondorf thing, because it sounds like a lot of nonsense. The Triforce of Power grants Ganondorf immortality after reviving him. He is fully alive.

Hmm, Voldemort is kept alive by magic, and he dies when his final horcrux is destroyed. Is he undead?

Now, on this Marnie person. Everyone is aware of what the Fused Shadows are, yes? Powerful dark artifacts that, when touched, transform and take over a character's mind?

Wow, isn't that Ganondorf totally not having his mind taken over?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
That's not what I said. I said you're ignoring instances that do make sense to fit your bias.

No feat supplied lets him harm them.

Same idea, bro, having a hole in his chest doesn't kill Thor, and it doesn't kill Ganon either. Notably [b]neither are vampires.

Not without much better feats than she has, and the ability to effect the living, she can't. [/B]

Yes, I have supplied enough.

It was a fatal wound but he only survived due to Top magic. Once he lost the power he died.

She has dominion over the dead, Ganondorf. Sorry, bro. He is taken over.

Everything that happens after 5 minutes into the game.

No, the feats you have supplied do not put Russell in K.Bulbin's strength bracket, and K.Bulbin could not hurt Link with an axe.

So, he didn't die from the wound, and therefore is not undead.

Ganondorf isn't dead, and her dominion is far from absolute, lol. He's too magically resistant anyway.

Eternal sunshine plus some cold for the witches.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Barring recent evidence, do say where the absurdity lies when the single thing it did was defeat a human? Cool, now tell me how tough old Fae are.

Contradicting your old words? When entering as soon as they get a whiff they start doing the quarter-stumble walk you see in tipsy people, Steve is even spinning around jumping and clasping at the air. That and both of them aimlessly running back and forth in the field, they were obviously not completely sober. Add the slowest vamp with the tipsy walk we saw, and the Fae's reactions are low superhuman.

Sunlight, silver, fire, how to kill for Bill.. still would prefer to know more about his inner workings before we make the what can and can't kill him theories.

They only act that way when they ingest it. What planet are you from where you walk into a bar and can't think straight being in the vicinity.

Newlin was fine and got wtf owned.

Sunlight does but we don't know if silver works yet iirc. All we know is sunlight since being staked has no effect.

Warlow is going to be tough to kill IMO. No vampire weaknesses which is only reason anyone stands a chance against them in TB as it is.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What have I ignored ?

Physics? I dunno, Russell's car feat is still much less than what Link is shown to output.

Yes, I have supplied enough.

While you have supplied several feats, which is very good please keep that up, those feats are unfortunately not enough to harm anyone of notable durability such as Ganon or Link. Tipping the car is simply weaker than King Bulblin, and cannot hold a canle to Link getting fired out of a cannon into he ground.

It was a fatal wound but he only survived due to Top magic. Once he lost the power he died.

Yes, it was a fatal wound and yes, the Triforce of Power revived him. Neither of these means Ganondorf is undead. In fact, your use of the word survived implied Ganondorf is still alive.

She has dominion over the dead, Ganondorf. Sorry, bro. He is taken over.

Again, the Fused Shadows have shown the ability to take over minds and Ganondorf is immune to that. Marnie's mental ability is no different.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Physics? I dunno, Russell's car feat is still much less than what Link is shown to output.

While you have supplied several feats, which is very good please keep that up, those feats are unfortunately not enough to harm anyone of notable durability such as Ganon or Link. Tipping the car is simply weaker than King Bulblin, and cannot hold a canle to Link getting fired out of a cannon into he ground.

Yes, it was a fatal wound and yes, the Triforce of Power revived him. Neither of these means Ganondorf is undead. In fact, your use of the word survived implied Ganondorf is still alive.

Again, the Fused Shadows have shown the ability to take over minds and Ganondorf is immune to that. Marnie's mental ability is no different.

That's incorrect. They are comprised of flesh. We see Link ko'd by Bulbins men and Dorf impaled every time a sword comes into play. It's silly to ignore their showings and use real world physics here and there when it suits you but to dismiss it otherwise.

No, just like vampires are alive they really aren't as they don't operate like humans and neither does Dorf since magic is keeping him alive.

Dorf did not put it on nor is it the same as Marnie's powers over the dead.

Ummm.... neither link nor the bulbins is human though. Hylian are actually avian.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Ummm.... neither link nor the bulbins is human though. Hylian are actually avian.

But link isn't human. His people came from birds, not monkeys.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
But link isn't human. His people came from birds, not monkeys.

But not. For all we know, hylian skin is tougher than rhino skin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is the ease in which Russell achieved this and he doesn't need to bolster his weight in order to achieve it.

That doesn't change the fact that it is much weaker than things Link has done or tanked/

That's incorrect. They are comprised of flesh. We see Link ko'd by Bulbins men and Dorf impaled every time a sword comes into play. It's silly to ignore their showings and use real world physics here and there when it suits you but to dismiss it otherwise.

Yes, but fictional flesh doesn't have to be the same as real flesh, does it? I mean we can see their flesh tank things normal flesh and bone can't, which proves that their flesh is stronger than normal. Then, yes, we do see Link KO'd by King Bulblin's men; I have never denied this. What I am saying is that we have also seen Link tank a strike from King Bulblin himself without harm, as well as being fired out of no less than 3 different cannons in the course of the game.

That is one instance out of five that is a low showing, while the other four showings are high durability. Taking that into account, the bulblin KO represents less than 20% of Link's showings, and is not consistent with the other 80%. Are you going to take a single low showing over 4 high ones? Because if so, I believe I have an answer for your "What have I ignored?" question. The answer is the other 4 showings, in addition to the context of the scene.

For Ganondorf, it is similar. You state that he is impaled by "swords" while neglecting the fact that both of them are magical blades designed to harm evil, and that he shrugs off one of those swords entirely after gaining his powers. Then, you ignore that one of those impaling happened before he gained the Triforce of Power, and the other was the Master Sword, his explicit weakness. Even further, it ignores the Ganondorf vs. Midna scene, when Midna destroys Hyrule Castle with Ganondorf still inside, and he is completely unharmed. Only one of these three is actually a low showing, and it, too, has contextual mitigating factors.

No, just like vampires are alive they really aren't as they don't operate like humans and neither does Dorf since magic is keeping him alive.

"Doesn't operate like humans" does not automatically mean undead. A being made of magical fire does not operate like a human, but it is also not vulnerable to necromancy. Nor is someone powered by magic like Ganondorf. You would think all wizards were liches if that were the cas. Fact is, Ganondorf does not fit any formal definition of an undead creature, as he is still very much alive.

Dorf did not put it on nor is it the same as Marnie's powers over the dead.

You don't have to put a Fused Shadow on for it to affect you. Just look at what happened to Darbus, AKA Twilight Igniter: Fyrus.

Originally posted by The Scenario
That doesn't change the fact that it is much weaker than things Link has done or tanked/

Yes, but fictional flesh doesn't have to be the same as real flesh, does it? I mean we can see their flesh tank things normal flesh and bone can't, which proves that their flesh is stronger than normal. Then, yes, we do see Link KO'd by King Bulblin's men; I have never denied this. What I am saying is that we have also seen Link tank a strike from King Bulblin himself without harm, as well as being fired out of no less than 3 different cannons in the course of the game.

That is one instance out of five that is a low showing, while the other four showings are high durability. Taking that into account, the bulblin KO represents less than 20% of Link's showings, and is not consistent with the other 80%. Are you going to take a single low showing over 4 high ones? Because if so, I believe I have an answer for your "What have I ignored?" question. The answer is the other 4 showings, in addition to the context of the scene.

For Ganondorf, it is similar. You state that he is impaled by "swords" while neglecting the fact that both of them are magical blades designed to harm evil, and that he shrugs off one of those swords entirely after gaining his powers. Then, you ignore that one of those impaling happened before he gained the Triforce of Power, and the other was the Master Sword, his explicit weakness. Even further, it ignores the Ganondorf vs. Midna scene, when Midna destroys Hyrule Castle with Ganondorf still inside, and he is completely unharmed. Only one of these three is actually a low showing, and it, too, has contextual mitigating factors.

"Doesn't operate like humans" does not automatically mean undead. A being made of magical fire does not operate like a human, but it is also not vulnerable to necromancy. Nor is someone powered by magic like Ganondorf. You would think all wizards were liches if that were the cas. Fact is, Ganondorf does not fit any formal definition of an undead creature, as he is still very much alive.

You don't have to put a Fused Shadow on for it to affect you. Just look at what happened to Darbus, AKA Twilight Igniter: Fyrus.

We see him portrayed just like humans in the sense swords cut him, etc.

Depends on angle of attack, pressure, etc. but the point is he isn't immune to Bulbins attacks he just survived that one.

I am not ignoring anything but clearly his skin can be pierced and ko'd by far less than Russell who can rip out spines with ease.

Stop it with the hyperbole. The Ms dispelled its magic and impaled him just like the other sword but it severed the connection. Dorf never showed the power to resist piercing sword damage though. You guys all claim this without the evidence.

Again speculation. We don't see what happens and he already has shown the ability to portal out of the immediate vicinity.

Dorf was a mortal being who would not have survived outside the magic which sustained his life. He is undead since the wound never healed. No, he clearly isn't alive since magic is sustaining his life just like the vampires aren't alive despite believing otherwise.

The difference is the fused shadows don't control your actions like Marnie. They just render you in a chaotic state but Midna still used it against those she wanted to. She wasn't trying to kill Link or Zelda.

Midna could use the FS because she's twili. They invented them.

When has hylian flesh ever been pierced?

Originally posted by quanchi112
It shows Russell doesn't need to alter weight when Link clearly does.

We see him portrayed just like humans in the sense swords cut him, etc.

Depends on angle of attack, pressure, etc. but the point is he isn't immune to Bulbins attacks he just survived that one.

I am not ignoring anything but clearly his skin can be pierced and ko'd by far less than Russell who can rip out spines with ease.

Stop it with the hyperbole. The Ms dispelled its magic and impaled him just like the other sword but it severed the connection. Dorf never showed the power to resist piercing sword damage though. You guys all claim this without the evidence.

Again speculation. We don't see what happens and he already has shown the ability to portal out of the immediate vicinity.

Dorf was a mortal being who would not have survived outside the magic which sustained his life. He is undead since the wound never healed. No, he clearly isn't alive since magic is sustaining his life just like the vampires aren't alive despite believing otherwise.

The difference is the fused shadows don't control your actions like Marnie. They just render you in a chaotic state but Midna still used it against those she wanted to. She wasn't trying to kill Link or Zelda.

Show me a sword cutting Link.

Which makes him immune to Russell's attacks because they're so much lighter.

Prove this, several feats contradict you.

What is 'piercing sword damage'? Is it a new pokemon attack type? Super effective against things that can withstand castle busting attacks without physical harm?

We see the attack land from Ganon's own perspective.

Insane Troll Logic at work.

Provide a feat from MArnie or Antonia that lets her control someone with Ganon's immense magic resistance. haermm

Originally posted by quanchi112
It shows Russell doesn't need to alter weight when Link clearly does.

Against opponents of human weight, he pretty clearly does not.

We see him portrayed just like humans in the sense swords cut him, etc.

Not just swords, they are magical artifacts that are very powerful in their own right.

Depends on angle of attack, pressure, etc. but the point is he isn't immune to Bulbins attacks he just survived that one.

Just like he'll survive Russell's attacks, yes?

I am not ignoring anything but clearly his skin can be pierced and ko'd by far less than Russell who can rip out spines with ease.

I listed quite a bit that you ignored though, since magical artifacts are not the same as normal swords. What about the cannons and the axe that failed to knock Link out? Are you ignoring those? You're claiming a 1/5 showing overrules the other 4/5?

Stop it with the hyperbole. The Ms dispelled its magic and impaled him just like the other sword but it severed the connection. Dorf never showed the power to resist piercing sword damage though. You guys all claim this without the evidence.

Which part is hyberbole? Ganondorf being weak to the Master Sword is a known fact, and the other hit him before he had powers and he shrugged it off immediately. So even if he can be hurt, he doesn't die and has shown the ability to revive himself.

Again speculation. We don't see what happens and he already has shown the ability to portal out of the immediate vicinity.

He couldn't have taken Midna's helm without tanking that attack.

Dorf was a mortal being who would not have survived outside the magic which sustained his life. He is undead since the wound never healed. No, he clearly isn't alive since magic is sustaining his life just like the vampires aren't alive despite believing otherwise.

Magic sustaining life =/= undead and I really think you should define your terms better. The wound not healing is just a wound not healing, why would that mean undead?

The difference is the fused shadows don't control your actions like Marnie. They just render you in a chaotic state but Midna still used it against those she wanted to. She wasn't trying to kill Link or Zelda.

Midna is a Twili, and the Fused Shadws are Twili magic sealed in items. The Light Spirit specifically say that the Fused Shadows are dangerous to those who live in the light, and Ganondorf is exactly that. He clearly resisted a mental effect, and so that gives him resistance to Marnie.