Originally posted by ares834Read the op. death is unarguable.
The archangels such as Lucifer, Michael, and Gabriel can solo. As can the anti-christ. And Death. And of course Dean could solo as well.
Michael is routed along with Lucifer. Gabriel also goes down very easily.
You are ridiculous. Lafayette beats Dean's ass.
Originally posted by NemeBroGuy and Badabing. Sorry nerdy gamers I'd never talk to you irl.
You have no friends on this forum or out old man.Russell is a dumb hick who allowed himself to have wood shoved up his ass. Which he's used to, Talbot used to ream that nancy little punk's ass nightly. What kind of a little punk sires someone and then becomes their ass b!tch?
He is, and he solos easily.
He was taking on an entire realm of faeries after he just destroyed an Elder Faerie and Eric caught him off guard. This isn't some pansy like Dean or Sam.
Nope. Unarguable but even he was used by Lucifer. Death isn't even unbeatable in his own universe.
Originally posted by BloodRainTB Lilith slayed a ghost. Has bill ? Nah.
TB spirits and Ifrit are lackluster, and assuming you mean TB Lilith whose shown absolutely nothing apart from what Bill has.Well with BFR that's gg for the Hell trips and everyone getting Hep D.
Tbh the mortals here pose as much as a thread as the TB mortals. They can be trouble if they know what they're doing but in the end they're just humans. Wolves/Shifter are killed by Weres/Skinwalkers, killed because SN ones have superhuman strength. Fae can only knock out humans or those susceptible to sunlight.In SN you have to be at a certain level of power to control beings, not forgetting that they have several necromancers and controllers of their own. One isn't going to overpower many doing the same thing right back. Marnie's no Eve after all.
Faeries can ko demons and what not since they are in human bodies. Whoops. Glamouring Bobby, Dean, or Sam and using them to exploit the demons and angels weaknesses seems right.
We see Marnie also put up protective fields and using the dead at her will. Necromancy means she controls them.
Marnie controls Death.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Read the op. death is unarguable.Michael is routed along with Lucifer. Gabriel also goes down very easily.
You are ridiculous. Lafayette beats Dean's ass.
How are they killing the archangels? Lucifer wasn't even killed by the Colt. Plus, the three of them can **** with time and space.
Dean grabs the Rabbit's foot and proceeds to solo the True Blood universe.
Originally posted by ares834For the purposes of the thread he's down and out. Antonia can come back too after her medium is defeated so formal parties once the host body is destroyed they are out.
lolDestroying Lucifer's body isn't going to put him down. Lesser angels have come back from worse.
The best they can due is temp banish him with a holy fire molotov. And even then it will only be a few seconds.
That's a victory here.
Death is controlled by Marnie.
For the purposes of the thread he's down and out.Thats just another one-sided limitation; Stopping one TB ghost returning, who would be useless without Marnie's body. Also stopping all the demons and angels from returning, thousands.
Oh and unlike demons, when an angels vessel is destroyed the Angel can recover and heal the host body.
Originally posted by quanchi112So take out said lacklustre beings, all we're losing is Lilith? Whose only standalone feat is defeating a spirit while in her own spirit form.
TB Lilith slayed a ghost. Has bill ? Nah.
Faeries can ko demons and what not since they are in human bodies. Whoops. Glamouring Bobby, Dean, or Sam and using them to exploit the demons and angels weaknesses seems right.We see Marnie also put up protective fields and using the dead at her will. Necromancy means she controls them. Marnie controls Death.
Demons aren't weak against sunlight, all it would do is knock them back. As said, at best they can Glamour average hunters and find out the weakness to low level demons and monsters. Basically they'll be coming up with salt, iron and holy water. They won't be able to Glamour hunters with strong will, hell proves this.
But lets assume that it works or they're doing it on a normal hunter: They're going to be standing still during a battle asking about what method kills which enemy, then how to find and/or make it, all of which will take quite some time. Not to mention getting the all of this info across, something which will be simple for Angels. The Angles+Hell can do this and execute the plan in under 5 mins.
In SN you have to be at a certain level of power to control beings. Unlike TB Vamps, SN beings have resistance according to how powerful they are. If you wan't to claim she controls low-tier creatures you may, cause thats the best for all the resistances. But as said, there are several Controllers in SN to overwrite her involvement.
1:50 and 3:34. Nothing in TB even comes close to even Mercury's speed, being able to run up, cut, take their blood and run off without them even seeing a shimmer of him. Even the top Pagen gods are around the level of Angels and High-Demons, below the likes of Archangels.
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And this is why we love Lucifer and Gabriel.
Gods on the sidelines for this, as is Death. There'd be no point in this thread when either of those two could solo both verses teamed up.
Then again this is a stomp from lovable Arcangel..
And heres why:
-He can instantly recover from anything non-fatal, can come back from fatalities in short moments. Can also recover and resurrect others, no sweat. we're talking White Mage champion.
-Tiers above supersonic and car flipping beings, can teleport, read minds, Vulcan pinch and being invisible,
-He's able to create, edit and delete memories and, painfully to the victim, banish people to an unknown place until he wants them.
-Summoning electricity and fire. Take note of the latter, TB vamps weakness.
-The ability to kill with a touch.
-Telekinesis to throw bodies like ragdolls or making their bodies explode.
-White Light which would make even the greatest Faerie's blast feeling like a warm-up. This light can go from smacking bodies around to disintegrating strong creatures. From leveling small buildings to destroying towns.
-Last buy not least, and how he was posing as a Trimester for millions of years.. Manipulation of time and reality.
He can make objects, locations and people from nothing with a gesture. Like trapping Dean and Sam in TV land. And for time there's being able to jump backwards and forwards in it at will (able to alter time if they want, one angle went back to stop the titanic from sinking) and impressively he can throw you into a 'Groundhogs day' time loop for as long as he wants (kept Sam in it for over a hundred days).
Back to the invulnerability.. The only things that could harm him are being burned with a special holy oil and weapons of heaven. Only thing that will kill him is an Archangel blade or Death's scythe. Apart from the hard to find oil, the rest are all in arc/angels (and Death's) possession. Only other option is being more powerful.. but in this situation this will not come close to happening.
Gabriel in this thread is tied second strongest along with Raphael, both under Lucifer and Michael. And if he's in this thread then God-Cas is a tier even above them.
Though its not like Archangels are needed. Low tier Angels can do all but the mind/reality manipulation, time loops, exploding or white light, and to a far lesser extent (still enough to be above TB Bill, the strongest character to date) with more weaknesses.
At this point it can possibly be argued that Bill can contend with a single Angel. But I think that alone speaks for the thread.
Gabriel dominates with glee.
Lucy couldn't destroy Gabe with such little effort. He was much stronger but no to that large degree seeing as Gabe was sure he'd put up a challenge. After 'clipping his wings' Raph was terrified and powerless in the face of Cas.
He also knows that Death > Arcangels, so just believing that his new powers brought him to Death's level shows Cas knew he was stronger than his brothers.
Originally posted by BloodRainJust like I am stopping the True Blood spirits from just taking over other bodies as well. TB can glamour and use Dean,Sam and other hunters in acquiring the knowledge necessary to defeat Supernatural spirits. You can't assume the same rules apply to True Blood ghosts as do for the SN ghosts.
Thats just another one-sided limitation; Stopping one TB ghost returning, who would be useless without Marnie's body. Also stopping all the demons and angels from returning, thousands.
Besides, TB can't stop anyone in SN from coming back, when SN's can do just this.Oh and unlike demons, when an angels vessel is destroyed the Angel can recover and heal the host body.
So take out said lacklustre beings, all we're losing is Lilith? Whose only standalone feat is defeating a spirit while in her own spirit form.
Demons aren't weak against sunlight, all it would do is knock them back. As said, at best they can Glamour average hunters and find out the weakness to low level demons and monsters. Basically they'll be coming up with salt, iron and holy water. They won't be able to Glamour hunters with strong will, hell proves this.
But lets assume that it works or they're doing it on a normal hunter: They're going to be standing still during a battle asking about what method kills which enemy, then how to find and/or make it, all of which will take quite some time. Not to mention getting the all of this info across, something which will be simple for Angels. The Angles+Hell can do this and execute the plan in under 5 mins.In SN you have to be at a certain level of power to control beings. Unlike TB Vamps, SN beings have resistance according to how powerful they are. If you wan't to claim she controls low-tier creatures you may, cause thats the best for all the resistances. But as said, there are several Controllers in SN to overwrite her involvement.
If the body is destroyed they are done. End of story.
No, they are not just losing Lilith as I've already explained. Honestly, quit crying about how much you hate my thread. I don't respect crybabies and whiners. Man up and argue within these parameters.
Demons are weak against simple drawings and symbols. It's be easy to draw symbols all over the place and corner them. Happens all the time. Yes, they can. Prove they cannot glamour them.
They take them aside and use them as they will. It also won't take long to hear the manners in which to destroy the demons. Faeries can also read each others minds and spread the word.
Marnie controls those who are dead. That's it. I don't care how SN works as this is how TB works.
Death isn't dead haermm To be dead you have to, you know, die? Quan what show have you been watching?
Originally posted by quanchi112Wow, the dozen weak ghosts taking over bodies? That really does match the thousands for SN's side. But hey, thanks for reminding me that those thousands of demons could just posses any TB character 😛
Just like I am stopping the True Blood spirits from just taking over other bodies as well. TB can glamour and use Dean,Sam and other hunters in acquiring the knowledge necessary to defeat Supernatural spirits. You can't assume the same rules apply to True Blood ghosts as do for the SN ghosts.
If the body is destroyed they are done. End of story.
No, they are not just losing Lilith as I've already explained. Honestly, quit crying about how much you hate my thread. I don't respect crybabies and whiners. Man up and argue within these parameters.Demons are weak against simple drawings and symbols. It's be easy to draw symbols all over the place and corner them. Happens all the time. Yes, they can. Prove they cannot glamour them.
They take them aside and use them as they will. It also won't take long to hear the manners in which to destroy the demons. Faeries can also read each others minds and spread the word.
Marnie controls those who are dead. That's it. I don't care how SN works as this is how TB works.
SN has weapons, spells and abilities to permanently stop TB ghost. That and stronger ghosts > weaker ones.
Nothing to do with my point but okay. The plan is to draw hundreds of devil traps all over the area? In the middle of battle? Besides the unanswered 'how will they get the time to glamour all the info then spread the word out to everyone in time to set it up before the attack starts' thing, there the fact that mid-demons and other creatures can make cracks in the ground and destroy the Trap, or get the assistance of the plagues of other SN beings. Good luck on this tactic. Keep in mind that SN can replicate this tactic and execute in before a vamp runs off and starts Glamouring.
This is what a vamp will get out of your average hunter: Devil Trap to hold demons. Salt, Holy water and Iron to harm them. Finally the Exorcism ritual. Not the most useful info, especially when there are still about 40 other types of things with their own weaknesses. Its just that the average Hunter wont know about all those methods. Theres only a small handful of Hunters that know how to barely contend with high-tier Demons and Angels.
On that, any decent Hunter will have access to silver(bullets too), stakes, something combustible and a good decapitating blade. Those 40 other creatures have their own methods above the Hunters in this thread.
Strong wills can resist, and its hard to come by the willpower to resist 30 years of daily torture and being ripped to shreds, with the offer to end it all constantly being asked and refused. Or resisting possession, notably Sam resisting Lucifer.
"Cant assume the same rules for TB as for SN" from that, to this in the same post "If it works in TB it will work in SN" Lol?
Originally posted by BloodRainDeath is the embodiment of death he doesn't need to live and die. Operates on the same plane.
Death isn't dead haermm To be dead you have to, you know, die? Quan what show have you been watching?Wow, the dozen weak ghosts taking over bodies? That really does match the thousands for SN's side. But hey, thanks for reminding me that those thousands of demons could just posses any TB character 😛
Yeah, limiting SN, thats what I said. Hate? I'm for any SN related thread 🙂 I just like to point out your tendency to make threads where the side you're against is limited, which is baffling when you believe Russell could defeat everyone.SN has weapons, spells and abilities to permanently stop TB ghost. That and stronger ghosts > weaker ones.
Nothing to do with my point but okay. The plan is to draw hundreds of devil traps all over the area? In the middle of battle? Besides the unanswered 'how will they get the time to glamour all the info then spread the word out to everyone in time to set it up before the attack starts' thing, there the fact that mid-demons and other creatures can make cracks in the ground and destroy the Trap, or get the assistance of the plagues of other SN beings. Good luck on this tactic. Keep in mind that SN can replicate this tactic and execute in before a vamp runs off and starts Glamouring.
This is what a vamp will get out of your average hunter: Devil Trap to hold demons. Salt, Holy water and Iron to harm them. Finally the Exorcism ritual. Not the most useful info, especially when there are still about 40 other types of things with their own weaknesses. Its just that the average Hunter wont know about all those methods. Theres only a small handful of Hunters that know how to barely contend with high-tier Demons and Angels.
On that, any decent Hunter will have access to silver(bullets too), stakes, something combustible and a good decapitating blade. Those 40 other creatures have their own methods above the Hunters in this thread.Strong wills can resist, and its hard to come by the willpower to resist 30 years of daily torture and being ripped to shreds, with the offer to end it all constantly being asked and refused. Or resisting possession, notably Sam resisting Lucifer.
[b]"Cant assume the same rules for TB as for SN"
from that, to this in the same post "If it works in TB it will work in SN" Lol? [/B]
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As I said quit crying over my thread parameters.
Who says the TB ghosts follow the same rules as Supernatural ghosts ? Honestly, do you even think of some of the theories you post.
It would be easy for vamps to do so at their speed. Easy for humans to trap them in these traps let alone super fast vampires. They also have Marnie who can control their vampires.
Glamour Sam and Dean. Nuff said.
The hunters won't be fast enough to stop the vampires and can be glamoured as well.
What examples of strong willpower resisting being glamoured ?
Sam also barely did in the moment and basically gave in. He won't be aware of what is going on unlike in that situation.
Angels in supernatural that were lesser then "the Devil" were able to change reality. Also in his "imperfect" host no other creature could even harm him....He took attacks from Gods and just brushed it off like it was nothing then snapped his fingers and they all died. Even in his Imperfect form The Devil solos.