True Blood universe vs. Supernatural universe

Originally posted by quanchi112
Death is the embodiment of death he doesn't need to live and die. Operates on the same plane.

😂

As I said quit crying over my thread parameters.

Who says the TB ghosts follow the same rules as Supernatural ghosts ? Honestly, do you even think of some of the theories you post.

ooooh the Irony......

Then by your own assessment you admit just because Marnie can control Death in TB has no bearing on if she could control Death from supernatural. Who is to say Supernatural's Death follows the same rules as TB's Death.

As PR said, hes not even dead as you claim.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Death is the embodiment of death he doesn't need to live and die. Operates on the same plane.
As I said quit crying over my thread parameters.

Don't get so emotional. The limits are there, threads begun.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Who says the TB ghosts follow the same rules as Supernatural ghosts ? Honestly, do you even think of some of the theories you post.

It would be easy for vamps to do so at their speed. Easy for humans to trap them in these traps let alone super fast vampires. They also have Marnie who can control their vampires.

Glamour Sam and Dean. Nuff said.

The hunters won't be fast enough to stop the vampires and can be glamoured as well.

Unlikely. Mid-demons and many, many other team-mates destroy the circle. Well that was a waste of their prep time.

Keep in mind that SN can replicate this tactic and execute it before a vamp runs off and starts Glamouring.

Concession that getting anyone else but 4 characters on the whole board would be useless to get info from? And out of hundreds they're instantly going to know who to target?

Average humans in TB have done so. Jason with his month of para-military training and less than a year as a cop gave him the means to dispatch of dozens of vampires who were on high alert... Hunters will get a death toll, or even gear up the other SN's.

Originally posted by quanchi112 What examples of strong willpower resisting being glamoured ?
Sam also barely did in the moment and basically gave in. He won't be aware of what is going on unlike in that situation.

Strong willed humans can resist it from low-tier demons. Low-demon < mid-demon <<< high-demon <<<<<< Arcangel.. which Sam was able to resist, completly stopping it for as long as we saw him before falling. Its not about when, its about the high willpower needed to accomplish such a task. Well above stong human willpower, so enough to resist Glamouring.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
ooooh the Irony......

Then by your own assessment you admit just because Marnie can control Death in TB has no bearing on if she could control Death from supernatural. Who is to say Supernatural's Death follows the same rules as TB's Death.

As PR said, hes not even dead as you claim.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Death isn't dead in Supernatural, so it's not the same thing. He's a being that's almost as old as, if not as old as, god himself. There's only one way to control him, and it's out of range of the TB people.

Death was controlled in a way that's inaccessible to the TB people, so no, you're actually wrong, but I know you'd never admit that.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Not dead, explained above.

Don't get so emotional. The limits are there, threads begun.
SN ghosts can interact with ghosts, TB ghosts are screwed. I'll expand; SN weaps, spells and abilities that can kill just about anything, things above both SN and TB ghosts, will stop a TB ghost.

Unlikely. Mid-demons and many, many other team-mates destroy the circle. Well that was a waste of their prep time.

Keep in mind that SN can replicate this tactic and execute it before a vamp runs off and starts Glamouring.

Concession that getting anyone else but 4 characters on the whole board would be useless to get info from? And out of hundreds they're instantly going to know who to target?

Average humans in TB have done so. Jason with his month of para-military training and less than a year as a cop gave him the means to dispatch of dozens of vampires who were on high alert... Hunters will get a death toll, or even gear up the other SN's.
..30 years hell? 😐 Every day for 30 years Dean was professionally tortured, ripped to shreds, put back together and asked at the end of each day to join the Demon to put an end to the torture. He willingly refused 11,000 times. It would take incredible will to do this. John managed this for 100 years (36,500 times). If these two are this strong you can bet Sam and Bobby could take it too. And these are the four who have the vital info.

Strong willed humans can resist it from low-tier demons. Low-demon < mid-demon <<< high-demon <<<<<< Arcangel.. which Sam was able to resist, completly stopping it for as long as we saw him before falling. Its not about when, its about the high willpower needed to accomplish such a task. Well above stong human willpower, so enough to resist Glamouring.

TB ghosts can overtake humans so lucky for SN I left them out.

They are protected by Weres, shifters, and vamps. Good luck with that.

No, they can't as they don't have the speed TB vamps have.

They can read minds so they can assess this in battle. Fae. 😄

Not against the upper echelon of TB vamps. Jason is at Russell's mercy and his bidding. Humans are a non factor.

What humans in TB can resist glamouring due to strong will ?

Not the same with glamouring.

Show a strong willed human resisting glamouring here to even consider this is the same thing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Death was controlled in the series. He is in same state as reapers. Marnie controls him. He is used to being controlled.

and there you go arguing against yourself again.....

You are assuming that magic in both universes work in the same way. You have no way of knowing if Marnie is even able to do the ritual Sam and Dean did. So basically...............

Originally posted by -Pr-
Death was controlled in a way that's inaccessible to the TB people, so no, you're actually wrong, but I know you'd never admit that.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Death was controlled in a way that's inaccessible to the TB people, so no, you're actually wrong, but I know you'd never admit that.

I'm right as rain.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
and there you go arguing against yourself again.....

You are assuming that magic in both universes work in the same way. You have no way of knowing if Marnie is even able to do the ritual Sam and Dean did. So basically...............

Death can be controlled.
Marnie has power over the dead.

Two facts whereas your side has nuh uh responses.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You say she can't I say she can. That simple but evidence suggests I am right.

Death can be controlled.
Marnie has power over the dead.

Two facts whereas your side has nuh uh responses.

There is no evidence to say you are right at all. In the supernatural verse Death can be bound but it has no bearing on weather Marnie can control him. What you are arguing right now make no sense at all. I could get on board with the "hes been controlled once so he can be again" argument but the problem with your argument is.....

1) He was controlled by one ritual and there is no proof anything but that ritual could control him. Show me proof.

2) you are sure good at claiming he's dead but not so good at proving he is. The argument "hes death means hes dead" doesn't fly.

The truth is Marnie would have to get access to the ritual from the Supernatural verse to bind and control him...which is beyond her reach.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In same state as reapers. I heard you complain so drop it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
TB ghosts can overtake humans so lucky for SN I left them out.
They are protected by Weres, shifters, and vamps. Good luck with that.
They can read minds so they can assess this in battle. Fae.
No, they can't as they don't have the speed TB vamps have.
Not against the upper echelon of TB vamps. Jason is at Russell's mercy and his bidding. Humans are a non factor.

Weres and Shifters are no threat at all with their mortal bodies, Hellhounds would defeat both beasts easily. Vamps? Sure, just they would have to actively stop everyone from making the slightest break in the circle, physically or though their powers. This would take far too much prep (getting the info and drawing them all) and a lot of effort to maintain (making sure demons step in it and stopping them or others from breaking it) it to be a useful strategy, particularly when the only result is simply trapping demons.
At what point is anyone going to think about the methods of killing their own team? Fae can't read vamps, unless the vamps going to tell one, who will inform the rest, who will then spread the word out to other vamps and.. did I mention the effort point yet?

The thing is that while TB would need to Glamour 4 people of the whole SN side, everyone in TB knows 5 important weaknesses of Vampires: Fire, Sunlight, Silver, Decapitation and Wooden stake. Less but still knowledgeable is being susceptible to magic and being rendered useless from Hep D. Anyone abducted will be highly useful. Then we look at how are these vamps are going to stop this from happening?:
Arcangels, Seraphs and Lilith (some others) can blink and take whomever they want. Angels, Reapers and Azazal (some othes) can teleport anyone away with a touch. Leviathans can take all their knowledge from a touch. And all of those who can read and tinker with minds. It would be easy to get any information, and info can be easily passed due to their powers.
And with that the Reapers, Arcangels, Seraphs, Pestilence and Witches can just give all Vampires Hep D or infect them with silver.
Or the Arcangels, Seraphs, Angels and some Demons, Witches and Pagen Gods setting them ablaze.
Or the Arcangels, Seraphs, Witches and Crossroad Demons taking their hearts away.

Im not going to say that Rufus runs in and solos Russell.. Humans, trained and untrained have killed vampires. Jason's body count being evidence of this. We've seen this happen to <500 Vamps, even to a 1,000+. If humans can combat vamps, even get the jump on Eric, then Hunters will at the very least get a vamps corpse to their name. Anyhow besides Hunters being useful here, they are also great suppliers to when they discover the Vamps weaknesses.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What humans in TB can resist glamouring due to strong will ?
Not the same with glamouring.
Show a strong willed human resisting glamouring here to even consider this is the same thing.

Q:
1. Access to the Rabbits foot?
2. Are Bobby/John humans or ghosts?
3. Does Dean get any powers from being a Vampire or with Death's ring? Or even a temp ghost for him and Sam?
4. Does Sam get his Demon powers?
5. Is God-Cas in this thread?

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
There is no evidence to say you are right at all. In the supernatural verse Death can be bound but it has no bearing on weather Marnie can control him. What you are arguing right now make no sense at all. I could get on board with the "hes been controlled once so he can be again" argument but the problem with your argument is.....

1) He was controlled by one ritual and there is no proof anything but that ritual could control him. Show me proof.

2) you are sure good at claiming he's dead but not so good at proving he is. The argument "hes death means hes dead" doesn't fly.

The truth is Marnie would have to get access to the ritual from the Supernatural verse to bind and control him...which is beyond her reach.

1) that is because that is only according to SN characters not TB ones.

2) he is Death and appears same plane as the dead.

No, she wouldn't. I believe she uses her spells and controls him all the same.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Death is not dead, nor are his reapers. To be dead you have to die, which they haven't to get to that state. Meaning either they're alive or live outside of conventional life/death, meaning they're still not dead.
Emotions.

You mean like SN's Kharn Worms, Ghosts and Demons doing so to TB?

Weres and Shifters are no threat at all with their mortal bodies, Hellhounds would defeat both beasts easily. Vamps? Sure, just they would have to actively stop everyone from making the slightest break in the circle, physically or though their powers. This would take far too much prep (getting the info and drawing them all) and a lot of effort to maintain (making sure demons step in it and stopping them or others from breaking it) it to be a useful strategy, particularly when the only result is simply trapping demons.
At what point is anyone going to think about the methods of killing their own team? Fae can't read vamps, unless the vamps going to tell one, who will inform the rest, who will then spread the word out to other vamps and.. did I mention the effort point yet?

The thing is that while TB would need to Glamour 4 people of the whole SN side, [b]everyone in TB knows 5 important weaknesses of Vampires: Fire, Sunlight, Silver, Decapitation and Wooden stake. Less but still knowledgeable is being susceptible to magic and being rendered useless from Hep D. Anyone abducted will be highly useful. Then we look at how are these vamps are going to stop this from happening?:
Arcangels, Seraphs and Lilith (some others) can blink and take whomever they want. Angels, Reapers and Azazal (some othes) can teleport anyone away with a touch. Leviathans can take all their knowledge from a touch. And all of those who can read and tinker with minds. It would be easy to get any information, and info can be easily passed due to their powers.
And with that the Reapers, Arcangels, Seraphs, Pestilence and Witches can just give all Vampires Hep D or infect them with silver.
Or the Arcangels, Seraphs, Angels and some Demons, Witches and Pagen Gods setting them ablaze.
Or the Arcangels, Seraphs, Witches and Crossroad Demons taking their hearts away.

Im not going to say that Rufus runs in and solos Russell.. Humans, trained and untrained have killed vampires. Jason's body count being evidence of this. We've seen this happen to <500 Vamps, even to a 1,000+. If humans can combat vamps, even get the jump on Eric, then Hunters will at the very least get a vamps corpse to their name. Anyhow besides Hunters being useful here, they are also great suppliers to when they discover the Vamps weaknesses.

Eric says Ginger is easy to control for being weak minded. Its also proven that Maenad's mind control > Glamour, yet some were able to partially resist that like the great Terry. Mental control can be resisted in TB, and besides having those with capable resistance in SN we have greater tiers of control being resisted.

Q:
1. Access to the Rabbits foot?
2. Are Bobby/John humans or ghosts?
3. Does Dean get any powers from being a Vampire or with Death's ring? Or even a temp ghost for him and Sam?
4. Does Sam get his Demon powers?
5. Is God-Cas in this thread? [/B]

Not as formidable as TB ghosts since salt and what not can destroy them, easily.

Yes, they are. Sam can also fly into someone and explode their bodies. Hell hounds are invisible so are not here. Not at all. We have mindreaders and vamps who can glamour.

That's just the vamps not the hunters. That is who have all the methods to kill the SN characters. Even with said weaknesses easier said that done due to speed and weaponry of all the TB characters.

They can also be killed quickly by vamps. A lot is going to happen very quickly here due to TB vamp speed. Maryann can control all human characters as well.

Leviathans are easy to kill with certain household cleaning products. It's easier for tB characters to take control than the other way around. We also have Authority here which is organized as well as Bilith, Warlow, and Russell clearly all on another level.

Thats just the same as saying humans can be a threat to high ranking demons, etc. thing is TB characters take each other on supernaturally not just two humans hitting the road and massacring them all.

Being easier to do so means it is easier. When has a Glamour failed on a human ? Maryann was greater than most vamps save Russell, Bilith, Godric, and Warlow. Her control over people was impressive.

1. No.
2. Humans. All physical beings only from both sides.
3. No, just human.
4. No.
5. No.

Originally posted by quanchi112
She is from another verse but as I said the evidence favors me since he's dead and Death has been controlled by less.

1) that is because that is only according to SN characters not TB ones.

2) he is Death and appears same plane as the dead.

No, she wouldn't. I believe she uses her spells and controls him all the same.

And as I said it simply does not.

In SN Death was controlled by a particular ritual spell and nothing else so its on you to prove that Marnie's magic could even do anything to him.

The episode where Dean "killed himself" to meet with Death was because there was no way to summon him. The only way he knew how to contact him was through the reapers. That doesn't mean Death is dead. In fact Death says himself "Nothing can last forever...well except me" He also says he's as old as God or older...that "neither one of us can remember who came first" and that "One day I'll reap him to" In reference to God. Your only single evidence you have is that he exists on the same plane as the dead. Which is not entirely accurate actually. Death can exist on any plane he wants. He can exist in heave, hell, earth, and the spiritual plane as already mentioned and shown in the show itself. So unless you can show proof that he can simply be controlled by someone who controls the dead(which you can't because it doesn't happen....ever) your entire argument is invalid.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
And as I said it simply does not.

In SN Death was controlled by a particular ritual spell and nothing else so its on you to prove that Marnie's magic could even do anything to him.

The episode where Dean "killed himself" to meet with Death was because there was no way to summon him. The only way he knew how to contact him was through the reapers. That doesn't mean Death is dead. In fact Death says himself "Nothing can last forever...well except me" He also says he's as old as God or older...that "neither one of us can remember who came first" and that "One day I'll reap him to" In reference to God. Your only single evidence you have is that he exists on the same plane as the dead. Which is not entirely accurate actually. Death can exist on any plane he wants. He can exist in heave, hell, earth, and the spiritual plane as already mentioned and shown in the show itself. So unless you can show proof that he can simply be controlled by someone who controls the dead(which you can't because it doesn't happen....ever) your entire argument is invalid.

Dead characters just exist on a different plane. They are dead. They still exist. Yes, he exists but is still dead. Undeniable. Try and twist it all you want but he's being controlled by Marnie hence the reason I left him out.

Death is easy to control.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Marnie does not exist in his universe so entirely different. We know he can be controlled so quit acting like there is some kind of proof since both only exist in their own shows.

Dead characters just exist on a different plane. They are dead. They still exist. Yes, he exists but is still dead. Undeniable. Try and twist it all you want but he's being controlled by Marnie hence the reason I left him out.

Death is easy to control.

You are the one thats acting as if there is some kind of proof....which is why im asking to see it. When I have yet to see any. In fact not only have you given no proof to support that she could control him. The only thing you could even claim is evidence is death can be bound by a ritual. A ritual Marnie doesn't know. Its that simple. Now that I have you quoted at admitting there is no proof and you only have your same tired faulty argument...well that sums it up. So until you can give some kind of proof that Death is dead you have nothing.

And as seen on the show Death exists on any plane he chooses. Im not twisting anything. In fact between the two of us I have more to back me up. You even admitted there is no evidence for your case. He has been controlled by a ritual that was created specifically to control him. That by no means says "Death is easy to control".

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
You are the one thats acting as if there is some kind of proof....which is why im asking to see it. When I have yet to see any. In fact not only have you given no proof to support that she could control him. The only thing you could even claim is evidence is death can be bound by a ritual. A ritual Marnie doesn't know. Its that simple. Now that I have you quoted at admitting there is no proof and you only have your same tired faulty argument...well that sums it up. So until you can give some kind of proof that Death is dead you have nothing.

And as seen on the show Death exists on any plane he chooses. Im not twisting anything. In fact between the two of us I have more to back me up. You even admitted there is no evidence for your case. He has been controlled by a ritual that was created specifically to control him. That by no means says "Death is easy to control".

There is no evidence for yours either. What we know is he can be controlled. Marnie can control dead. He's Death. Sorry, you lose.

Originally posted by quanchi112
there is not only one way to control him. Saying Death isn't dead is hilarious. The Reapers and Death according to you are both alive and brush their teeth at night before bed time.

There is no evidence for yours either. What we know is he can be controlled. Marnie can control dead. He's Death. Sorry, you lose.

ooh ok well im waiting on that list of ways to control Death. So please post it. I wouldn't go that far as there is no onscreen evidence that he brushes his teeth 😉 Anyways if thats you qualification for being alive then anyone can be.

There isn't huh?! News to me. I guess you have never seen the show then. He is a being like God except he is Immortal where as God will one day be Reaped. Death predates "the dead" actually.....in fact he quite possibly predates God himself. I lose do I?! Only in your mind Quan......

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
ooh ok well im waiting on that list of ways to control Death. So please post it. I wouldn't go that far as there is no onscreen evidence that he brushes his teeth 😉 Anyways if thats you qualification for being alive then anyone can be.

There isn't huh?! News to me. I guess you have never seen the show then. He is a being like God except he is Immortal where as God will one day be Reaped. Death predates "the dead" actually.....in fact he quite possibly predates God himself. I lose do I?! Only in your mind Quan......

No, there isn't. Marnie controls the dead aka Death who has been controlled before. Yes, a being who is dead and can reap him someday is all. That's it. Death is being controlled by the witch.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was a joke. Death is death therefore he isn't alive unless you can prove it.

No, there isn't. Marnie controls the dead aka Death who has been controlled before. Yes, a being who is dead and can reap him someday is all. That's it. Death is being controlled by the witch.

lmao and I guess Green Lantern is Green Light....

Anyways your logic doesn't track and you have nothing but the same tired argument. Your gonna think what you want no matter what so have at it. But you are wrong.

Still waiting on that list.