Thor (CIS/CIP OFF) vs Superboy Prime

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What the phuck does Superman's "big bang feat" have to do with this? 😬 As is, we've already been through this feat of the Thor Corps and it's pretty glaring obvious what happened.

As far as Thor's attacks go, mystical or no, they've damaged people more powerful than Prime so I don't really see him no selling Thor's CIS/CIP off attacks at all. And I don't see Prime easily beating a normal Thor anyway, though he'd clearly win.

I'm not saying Thor can't hurt prime but beat him? That's not going to happen. Also prime would bash Thor's head in normally, don't kid yourself.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Back from vacation...

Anyway, Thor has the power to not only make this tough, but win as well. Not saying he will, but he can definitely tank the physicality of SBP long enough to pull off his higher end abilities.

My guess is Thor would life-drain SBP, but soul-sucking, god-blasting or anti-force are all options as well. Just because he's more resistant to magical attacks doesn't stop him from getting f*dged up from a life-drain.

Thor unleashing his abilities at full puts him almost at skyfather levels.

Thor wins.

Originally posted by abhilegend
👆

Prime then cries over Thor's raped body.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How is it bogus?

Sure, it's pretty much invalid for 9/10 threads Thor's involved in when he's acting remotely in character and we're not just throwing out random feats, but it happened and it's quite clear that Thor and the others produced energy to uphold the collapsing walls of the Multiverse itself.

Which Thor? 100% sure is 616?

How hard it will be to BOLSTER some walls that apparently are very fragile?

The bolstering of the walls was vain effort, meaning that they were going to collapse.

To explain my point, Imagine that I am in a house full of water and that my drywall are becoming flimsy and is about to collapse, so I decide to BOLSTER the wall with a sack of sand, the wall will collapse any way, and me putting that sack of sand even though is a valiant effort is for naught.

This is why the feat is bogus, is often used to make it seem more than what it is and attributed to a character whom is never clear of is the 616 Thor as time lines and continuity in the MU is so mixed up. This is why.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It would behead him straight up.
LOLWUT?

So you say.

You probably are aware of more instances then I am but every time I think of heat vision being used against Kryptonians recently, it has been surprisingly effective

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Prime kills him easily

if this were rune king then we'd have thor as a clear winner but i dont see standard thor even winning but maybe 1 or 2 fights outta 10 and thats just cuz i like thor

SBP at his worst (when he fought teen titans or had difficulty with connor) Thor defeat him obviously. SBP at his best would beat Thor handily.

Always fun to watch abigail debate.. I imagine a small chihuahua with a superman cape barking at a computer screen.

wow.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Which Thor? 100% sure is 616?

How hard it will be to BOLSTER some walls that apparently are very fragile?

The bolstering of the walls was vain effort, meaning that they were going to collapse.

To explain my point, Imagine that I am in a house full of water and that my drywall are becoming flimsy and is about to collapse, so I decide to BOLSTER the wall with a sack of sand, the wall will collapse any way, and me putting that sack of sand even though is a valiant effort is for naught.

This is why the feat is bogus, is often used to make it seem more than what it is and attributed to a character whom is never clear of is the 616 Thor as time lines and continuity in the MU is so mixed up. This is why.

I think even you would agree it's a pretty safe bet that it's 616 Thor. Seriously, why would it be an alternate reality Thor? What part of the comic made you even momentarily doubt that it was him? The scene specifically points out that they were summoning the one true, real Thor.

What do you mean fragile? They were collapsing due to Demonstaff's tampering but they're the boundaries that separate the Universes/Dimensions/Timelines of this part of creation. Since they've held up this long and prevent everything destroying themselves, probably pretty sturdy.

They were preventing the boundaries from collapsing. They just could not do it indefinitely because sooner or later they'd run out of juice, and everything would end.

That's a shitty example to use. And for the last time, I don't see anyone claiming that they fixed the problem, simply that they prevented it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Also that merging of realities would've produced a big bang

Second time you've said this, and even compared it to a Superman feat. I want to understand why you think this changes anything? Not to mention the Big Bang isn't limited to just Universal level. As this story in parts supports as this whole endeavor was on a Trans-Universal level.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
The main problem here will be the fact that IF Thor's abilities are magic-based (his soul suck, anti force, energy redirection, etc) then just about every advantage given by "CIS/CIP off" is negated by SBP's magic immunity. I don't see a way around this unless there are "feats" out there that contradict the magical nature of Thor's abilities or "feats" that have allowed Thor to bypass characters with a form of magic resistance.

The hammer would hurt, yes, but w/o Thor's exotic abilities, this'll be entirely in SBP's favor.

+1 👆
Not much to say about this thread after that. You hit the nail right on the head.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So you say.

You probably are aware of more instances then I am but every time I think of heat vision being used against Kryptonians recently, it has been surprisingly effective

Or maybe HV is just that powerful.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Second time you've said this, and even compared it to a Superman feat. I want to understand why you think this changes anything? Not to mention the Big Bang isn't limited to just Universal level. As this story in parts supports as this whole endeavor was on a Trans-Universal level.

That big bang in Zero Hour was Trans-universal because it produced hypertime realities. I'm not going to get in that discussion again whether it was just a universal feat or multiversal feat since I'm forbidden to do so.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
SBP at his worst (when he fought teen titans or had difficulty with connor) Thor defeat him obviously. SBP at his best would beat Thor handily.

Always fun to watch abigail debate.. I imagine a small chihuahua with a superman cape barking at a computer screen.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Another marvelite, huh?

facepalm

You were banned less then a day ago and immediately return to name-calling anyone who disagrees with you? The Phantom Zone must have been pretty nice then.

Notice how this entire discussion has been very civil? Try and keep it that way.

prime wins, most of the time handily imo.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Unless you think Thor is more durable than Superman.

Or maybe HV is just that powerful.

That's pretty comparable to Superman's feat.

That big bang in Zero Hour was Trans-universal because it produced hypertime realities. I'm not going to get in that discussion again whether it was just a universal feat or multiversal feat since I'm forbidden to do so.

I guess he must be. Even if Superman is more durable then Thor, not everything that negatively affects him automatically will do the same for Thor on a consistent basis. It's calling having a low showing.

It sometimes comes off as more effective then physical blows. Krypto hurt Prime noticeably, Conner even permanently scarred Prime and really hurt him, Zod/Superman were piercing each other's shoulders, alternate Kara temporarily took the fight out of Kingdom Come Superman, Christopher Kent pierced Zod's hand etc. Kryptonians should just go around heat visioning everyone.

What are hyper-time realities? Alternate time-lines? Entire Universes/Dimensions/Timelines were mentioned in the Thor feat btw. We aren't discussing the Thor feat's scope, just comparing it to the Superman feat. Besides, I've payed off Bada, we're good.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalm

You were banned less then a day ago and immediately return to name-calling anyone who disagrees with you? The Phantom Zone must have been pretty nice then.

Notice how this entire discussion has been very civil? Try and keep it that way.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I guess he must be. Even if Superman is more durable then Thor, not everything that negatively affects him automatically will do the same for Thor on a consistent basis. It's calling having a low showing.

It sometimes comes off as more effective then physical blows. Krypto hurt Prime noticeably, Conner even permanently scarred Prime and really hurt him, Zod/Superman were piercing each other's shoulders, alternate Kara temporarily took the fight out of Kingdom Come Superman, Christopher Kent pierced Zod's hand etc. Kryptonians should just go around heat visioning everyone.

What are hyper-time realities? Alternate time-lines? Entire Universes/Dimensions/Timelines were mentioned in the Thor feat btw. We aren't discussing the Thor feat's scope, just comparing it to the Superman feat. Besides, I've payed off Bada, we're good.

Krypto never hurt Prime with HV AFAIK. Connor affects Prime's power levels being a PC kryptonian and all. Zod/Superman was under a red sun. Alternate Kara vs KC Superman? Issue reference please. The only showing worth mentioning there is Chris piercing zod's device and that shows how powerful HV from a ticked off kryptonian is since Zod took HV from Superman himself without being damaged once.

Full blown universes. DC was an omniverse because of them. That big bang was omniversal then, I guess. Those realities were under a single universes in Thor's feat.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was just a joke. Since when is marvelite a name calling when twisting names like "abhigail" isn't? Also stop backseat modding.

Maybe it's a language barrier thing but I honestly have a hard time telling when you're joking or being serious. Well whatever, do what you will.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman being pierced by prime isn't a low showing neither is getting pierced by Zod's HV under red sun. He has taken HV from people like PC Mon-El and PC kryptonians and PC superman himself without being pierced.

I remember those, which is why I specified in the last few years. It's just a trend I've noticed is all.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Krypto never hurt Prime with HV AFAIK. Connor affects Prime's power levels being a PC kryptonian and all. Zod/Superman was under a red sun. Alternate Kara vs KC Superman? Issue reference please. The only showing worth mentioning there is Chris piercing zod's device and that shows how powerful HV from a ticked off kryptonian is since Zod took HV from Superman himself without being damaged once.

He did after he bites him. Wait what? How does Conner affect Prime's power levels? I don't remember reading this once? Did it have more effectiveness on their durability then? Somewhere during JSA near the end, I'll post scans/issue when I get back from work. Yea, that's stupid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Full blown universes. DC was an omniverse because of them. That big bang was omniversal then, I guess. Those realities were under a single universes in Thor's feat.

Issue number? I don't have the Parallax saga anymore, but I can get it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor at his worst would be beaten by Batman in h2h let alone teen titans.

Always fun to see marvelites fume and insult out of nowhere.

So I guess I stand uncorrected..

Also
Irony... 😆