Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Carver said he's not taking off CIS for Prime because he rarely holds back anyway. Even if Prime is working without CIS, he's not doing working without CIP, which is what truly makes a character "forum mode".The idea of a trans beating a herald isn't delusional, nor is the idea that Prime beating a forum mode Thor. The idea of Prime doing so easily certainly is delusional.
Right, in other words he's not holding back. So that gets rid of CIS for him as well. I'm not even touching CIP lol.
Also, It depends on your definition of "easily". I think Thor would get hits in and put up a fight, I just don't see him winning even 1/10.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Right, in other words he's not holding back. So that gets rid of CIS for him as well. I'm not even touching CIP lol.Also, It depends on your definition of "easily". I think Thor would get hits in and put up a fight, I just don't see him winning even 1/10.
Prime doesn't have CIS or CIP off because according to Carver, he hardly ever holds back. The guy is almost always 100% ready to kill and maim. That's hardly "forum mode" Prime. On the other hand, Thor's been given free reign to just do pretty much anything he's ever displayed on panel, regardless of plausibility or it being in character, which he clearly is not per the OP. Prime's just being Prime per Carver's own words. Thor is not.
I think anything along the lines of Prime one shot KOing or killing Thor, let alone no selling his entire offense is laughable and wouldn't even make sense if this was a "standard" Thor. Looking at Thor's entire track record, unless Prime is somehow far more fortified against damage than the likes of the beings Thor has hurt or outright crippled (he's not), I don't see how this isn't a very difficult fight for Prime.
Re: Thor (CIS/CIP OFF) vs Superboy Prime
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Prime doesn't have CIS or CIP off because according to Carver, he hardly ever holds back. The guy is almost always 100% ready to kill and maim.
Originally posted by carver9
Prime casually walks around with CIS off, so I don't need to remove it for him since he rarely if ever hold back.
He said Prime casually walks around with CIS off. That's why he didn't feel the need to add it. Because its already assumed according to the OP.
CIS is off for both.
"I don't need to remove it for him since he rarely if ever hold back"
It's pretty obvious what Carv meant by that, especially since he didn't take off CIP for Prime and did for Thor, which is the real game changer when you look at the actual definitions of the terms per KMC's rules. At best, you have CIS off for Prime, which does what exactly for him? Make him more ruthless than he already is? He's still bound by his character. He just won't do stupid shit because of it.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
"I don't need to remove it for him since he rarely if ever hold back"It's pretty obvious what Carv meant by that, especially since he didn't take off CIP for Prime and did for Thor, which is the real game changer when you look at the actual definitions of the terms per KMC's rules. At best, you have CIS off for Prime, which does what exactly for him? Make him more ruthless than he already is? He's still bound by his character. He just won't do stupid shit because of it.
You are talking as if that's a weakness for Prime...
1. I really don't see how there is a difference between what CIS and CIP is. It seems redundant.
2. "CIP" would be a weakness for someone like a hero. Not Prime. He wants to kill anyways, and CIS is off.
Carver was essentially saying, "I don't need to remove CIS for Prime because its already gone"
Originally posted by Odekahn
You are talking as if that's a weakness for Prime...1. I really don't see how there is a difference between what CIS and CIP is. It seems redundant.
2. "CIP" would be a weakness for someone like a hero. Not Prime. He wants to kill anyways, and CIS is off.
Carver was essentially saying, "I don't need to remove it because its already gone"
CIS is described as the following:
"Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates."
CIP is described as the following:
This is known as Character Inhibited Power. This applies to characters that have intelligence, like the Silver Surfer, Superman, and so on and so forth.As Bada said:
"It's a self imposed limitation in certain circumstances which there is concern for civilians and buildings for the most part. It's not stupidity, it's a limitation set until the threat exceeds a certain threshold."
What this means is that people like the Surfer and Superman and so on will not use the full extent of their powers if it will endanger civilians. It doesn't, though, mean they will fight like idiots. The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform. This is the crux of the rules we've come up with. It doesn't come down to powers, it comes down to the man or woman that weilds them."
CIP is basically the character's, well, character inhibiting their powerset. With that off, there's literally nothing to stop Thor from acting wildly out of character and busting out random feats he displays once every blue moon that grossly push the envelope of high herald tier power. To that end, considering Thor can unleash attacks more than capable of staggering high end cosmic entities and muster defenses capable of defending himself against them, this fight is anything but an easy one for Prime.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankExactly.
"I don't need to remove it for him since he rarely if ever hold back"It's pretty obvious what Carv meant by that, especially since he didn't take off CIP for Prime and did for Thor, which is the real game changer when you look at the actual definitions of the terms per KMC's rules. At best, you have CIS off for Prime, which does what exactly for him? Make him more ruthless than he already is? He's still bound by his character. He just won't do stupid shit because of it.
Thor wins.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankCIP is basically the character's, well, character inhibiting their powerset. With that off, there's literally nothing to stop Thor from acting wildly out of character and busting out random feats he displays once every blue moon that grossly push the envelope of high herald tier power. To that end, considering Thor can unleash attacks more than capable of staggering high end cosmic entities and muster defenses capable of defending himself against them, this fight is anything but an easy one for Prime.
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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
CIS is described as the following:CIP is described as the following:
CIP is basically the character's, well, character inhibiting their powerset. With that off, there's literally nothing to stop Thor from acting wildly out of character and busting out random feats he displays once every blue moon that grossly push the envelope of high herald tier power. To that end, considering Thor can unleash attacks more than capable of staggering high end cosmic entities and muster defenses capable of defending himself against them, this fight is anything but an easy one for Prime.
Ok thanks for posting that. While it makes more sense, it's still redundant IMO.
"any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves"
Doesn't this pretty much cover everything that CIP essentially is?
Also, Prime not having CIP off means nothing. He doesn't fight with it on to begin with.
Thor isn't Stronger than Prime.
Thor isn't faster than Prime.
Thor's magic isn't going to be a counter to Prime.
Trans brick > herald brick
They are essentially fighting under the same rules and Prime is in a different league.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Ok thanks for posting that. While it makes more sense, it's still redundant IMO."any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves"
Doesn't this pretty much cover everything that CIP essentially is?
Also, Prime not having CIP off means nothing. He doesn't fight with it on to begin with.
Thor isn't Stronger than Prime.
Thor isn't faster than Prime.
Thor's magic isn't going to be a counter to Prime.
Trans brick > herald brick
They are essentially fighting under the same rules and Prime is in a different league.
How so?
A CIP off Prime would be constantly using his speed (to the point of basically doing the mythical OMGZspeedblitz/combo-to-ko), effectively using his powers simultaneously, etc instead of just wading in and trading blows with people. Prime would certainly benefit from having CIP off.
No offense, I really don't think you understand what CIP and CIS off does for someone as potentially versatile as Thor.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How so?A CIP off Prime would be constantly using his speed (to the point of basically doing the mythical OMGZspeedblitz/combo-to-ko), effectively using his powers simultaneously, etc instead of just wading in and trading blows with people. Prime would certainly benefit from having CIP off.
No offense, I really don't think you understand what CIP and CIS off does for someone as potentially versatile as Thor.
None taken. It's possible that I don't, and if someone provides enough evidence to convince me I will change my stance. Until then, I'm sticking with Prime.
How does Prime inhibit himself to where CIP will effect him? Not speed blitzing every enemy seems more like PIS and CIS than CIP. Prime doesnt intentionally hold himself back when fighting.
