Space Gods vs Omega Mutants

^^ Fulcrum is not the "God" of FF#511.

TOAA is obviously the representative avatars of artists/writers in FF#511.
The Fulcrum was speaking, and referred to by others,
like if he was another comic book character, regardless of the implied power.

btw. Several entities and even beings have been stated to be "all powerful and all knowing."

So Team stomps! (Fulcrum or no Fulcrum) imo.

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Here's a few Jamie showings, just a taste.

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This is funny, ... look at what the Sun in the sky, is to Jamie:

(bottom left panel)

lol ... he can just grab that and fling it at someone.

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616 Jamie created most of an Alternate Universe.
In this alternate reality he also created a copy of himself.
Excalibur team ended up entering this alternate dimension.

Well, from withIN 616, Jamie was controlling his copy and owing Excalibur & X-
Men powers in that alternate universe. So ie. he was displaying multi-universal influence.

Anyway, Jamie's copy turns off the sound-waves of that alternate universe to de-power Dazzler's abilities:

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Here,
Jamie's copy takes a direct hit from Havok's ultra-nuclear plasma blasts,
it blows a hole right through the copy's chest, even burns 616 Jamie's back,
yet, he doesn't care, and makes the plasma blast explode the Moon:

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Here,
Jamie's copy turns the Stars of this Universe into something like bits of snowflakes,
in order to de-power Havok's abilities which depend on Stellar energy.

Jamie also gets fried by Storm's lightning, and takes hay-maker right hook from Colossus:

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Here,
Jamie's copy makes believe he's k.o'd after the punch, but instead
when Rachel/Meggan try using Rogue's abilities to absorb Jamie's powers, it has the opposite affect.

Jamie is also again shown in another Universe (616) controlling this other reality via dolls:

😂

He was "defeated" via plot: Kitty verbally scolded him like a child in 616,
making him believe that was his baby-sitter, this opened that
repressed memory and so he obeyed Kitty and went to bed. ... hilarious.

You just got mr master'd

Originally posted by Galan007
Mutants. Easily.

Tiamut and Jamie are the respective weak links of their teams, although in a fight, I'd likely put my money on the Celestial. I see Franklin and Galactus stalemating, with Legion taking out Tenebrous.

Overall, a stalemate I guess.

Originally posted by janus77
They're still mutants, aren't they?

Galactus should be able to instantly turn off the "X-gene".

Muties turn off the power cosmic first. 😂

Stil a stomp.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Fulcrum was speaking, and referred to by others,
like if he was another comic book character, regardless of the implied power.

Anyways(this is addressed to operator616), the Fulrcum never referred to relative power levels when he made that statement to Tiamut. If one reads the stuff in context, one realizes that the Fulcrum clearly referred to the Celestial's growth as an individual, someone who was the Fulcrum's peer by refusing to act in accordance to his function. Basically speaking, Gaiman gave Tiamut what Mike Carrey always flirted around with to give Lucifer: true independence from his respective Creator.

Originally posted by janus77
They're still mutants, aren't they?

Galactus should be able to instantly turn off the "X-gene".

The former has been pointed out to you before, yet you continue to troll in threads that involve Power-Cosmic characters Vs Mutant characters.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The Surfer has never turned off the X-Gene. Neither has Galactus.

The former has been pointed out to you before, yet you continue to troll in threads that involve Power-Cosmic characters Vs Mutant characters.

He's evolved life, planet-wide, from birth to death over generations, so plenty of evidence so support his own assertion regarding the x-gene.

And whatever Surfer can do, Galactus naturally has the power to do too (at an exponentially higher level).

Originally posted by janus77
I never said he had, but he has the ability and that's demonstrable, given the way the Power Cosmic works.

He's evolved life, planet-wide, from birth to death over generations, so plenty of evidence so support his own assertion regarding the x-gene.

And whatever Surfer can do, Galactus naturally has the power to do too (at an exponentially higher level).

Nevermind the fact that Galacta(whose Power Cosmic dwarfs Surfer's own) clearly assessed that tampering with Wolverine's X-Gene(not even an omega level mutant mind you), could cause the fabric of the universe to unravel.

And all this is just ignoring that all of these are high-level reality manipulators, way beyond the type of opponents that Surfer usually goes up against, and 2 of them definitely have a level of matter/energy manip that easily rivals Galactus' own.

So yeah, turning off x-genes is a totally feasible idea. It's quite up there with KOing Hulk in a forum battle by hurling buses at him.

Anyways, I eagerly await the time when you can pull out scans in which he "demonstrates" the ability to just turn off the X-Genes off the bat.

Adult FR destroyed 2 very easily he could definately solo

Turning off the X-gene should only be possible against mutants who are still reliant on their physical bodies.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Turning off the X-gene should only be possible against mutants who are still reliant on their physical bodies.

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Adult FR destroyed 2 very easily he could definately solo

So could Jamie or Legion.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

Anyways(this is addressed to operator616), the Fulrcum never referred to relative power levels when he made that statement to Tiamut. If one reads the stuff in context, one realizes that the Fulcrum clearly referred to the Celestial's growth as an individual, someone who was the Fulcrum's peer by refusing to act in accordance to his function. Basically speaking, Gaiman gave Tiamut what Mike Carrey always flirted around with to give Lucifer: true independence from his respective Creator.

and by becoming an individual, he shattered the bond that holds him under fulcrum's authority, so he has ascended to a higher level (he's no longer fulcrum's device), and by doing that, he proved a power equal to the fulcrum, you actually said that in your own post, to quote you:

"someone who was the Fulcrum's peer by refusing to act in accordance to his function"

so by refusing to act in accordance to his function, tiamut proved that he's fulcrum's equal (which is also stated in the bio, an equal companion) what am i missing here?

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ Fulcrum is [b]not the "God" of FF#511.

TOAA is obviously the representative avatars of artists/writers in FF#511.
The Fulcrum was speaking, and referred to by others,
like if he was another comic book character, regardless of the implied power.

btw. Several entities and even beings have been stated to be "all powerful and all knowing." [/B]

TOAA appeared as a character as well:

http://i.imgur.com/80JfNnH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SS2xvQ8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XtWdiW6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KoDuFez.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Pcozifx.jpg
i could go on.....

and yes i know that dozens of characters have been referred as being omnipotent (or all powerful) and all of that, i posted it just to strengthen my argument.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

I don't see how that detracts from Gaiman's obvious implication by
means of the "Jack the Bartender" pseudonym, that the Fulcrum was
indeed a Jack Kirby avatar.

Originally posted by operator616
TOAA appeared as a character as well:

http://i.imgur.com/80JfNnH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SS2xvQ8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XtWdiW6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KoDuFez.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Pcozifx.jpg

i could go on.....

Context of the story makes this evident.

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Here,
Peter asks TOAA to Re-Write his history, so that uncle Ben, Gwen, her father,
Harry and even aunt May, who was now in a coma dying, could all live.

TOAA looks at Peter with impossibility in its eyes.

Why? Because this isn't changing the context of a single story, withIN a single book,
this would involve over 50 years of print and 1000s of Spidey books in real life
that would have to be wished away, and well, in the real world, that's impossible.

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Here,
TOAA actually refers to a real life comic run that involved Spidey many times:

TOAA: "Thousands of people you saved"
Peter: "Thousands? Really?"
TOAA: Well, I'm counting Team-Ups, but yeah."

(Marvel Team-Up - about 150 issues published between 72' & 85'😉

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I also, could go on.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller

and yes i know that dozens of characters have been referred as
being omnipotent (or all powerful) and all of that, i posted it just to
strengthen my argument.

Originally posted by operator616
and by becoming an individual, he shattered the bond that holds him under fulcrum's authority, so he has ascended to a higher level (he's no longer fulcrum's device), and by doing that, he proved a power equal to the fulcrum, you actually said that in your own post, to quote you:

"someone who was the Fulcrum's peer by refusing to act in accordance to his function"

so by refusing to act in accordance to his function, tiamut proved that he's fulcrum's equal (which is also stated in the bio, an equal companion) what am i missing here?

If an ant suddenly acquired self-awareness out of the blue, along with the ability to communicate with humans, then that essentially makes the ant my peer in theory. Doesn't mean he has achieved the same level of power as me, or I couldn't crush it whenever I want.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I posted my position on the matter and the reasoning behind it.

Anyways, you misquoted operator616's quote here as mine:

Originally posted by Mr Master
[QUOTE=14371070]Originally posted by TheGodKiller
[B]and yes i know that dozens of characters have been referred as being omnipotent (or all powerful) and all of that, i posted it just to strengthen my argument.