So? I could and do feel the same about Bane's feat. Same thing goes.
Also, the majority of Maul's speed-feats comes from his journal, but I tend to ignore this one:
They are no match for me. They chase me, shaking their gaderffii sticks, but they cannot catch me. I am a streak of darkness, faster than light.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Actually, Zannah describes it as this:At the back of the library was a nondescript door; beyond it, Zannah could sense the power of the dark side. It called out to her, like the vibrations of a churning engine thrumming through the floor. Approaching carefully, she felt the power grow. It wasn't coming from any person or creature; she knew the sensation of a living being attuned to the Force. This was different. It reminded her of the invisible pulses of energy she had felt emanating from the Force crystals she had used to construct her lightsaber.
-Dynasty of Evil
Lol, thats from Harths collection of darkside artifacts. That it reminds her of Force crystals should have been a clue for you:
'She tested the door and was surprised when it opened easily. Obviously, Set was confident in his privacy-but then, he no doubt had never suspected that a Sith might come to visit. Stepping into the room, she found it small and plain next to the rest of the mansion. There were no works of art, and the only furnishing was a display case set against the back wall a few meters away. By the light of her glow lamp, she could see an array of jewelry carefully arranged in the display case: rings, necklaces, amulets, and even crowns, all imbued with the power of the dark side.'
Its not a nexus and besides that they don't even fight there, but in Harths lounge.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Good to see that you concede that, without nexus', Bane hasn't anything on Maul in terms of power.
You're a funny man. Even without a nexus Banes lightning is powerful enough to incinerate beings and disintegrate stone. Even weakened by Cognus and stunned it can disintegrate a tangle net and he can block a half dozen concussion grenades. Fast enough to block every rain drop in a howling storm for 20 minutes. Powerful enough to dominate and crush Sith Lords like paper.
Do you really believe he's so much less powerful in DoE that he went from easily being above Maul (in RoT) to not having shit on him?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Agreed with your last sentence.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Canonically, he's a fraction slower than he had once been.
A 'fraction', yes. Not exactly a huge amount is it? Even if he is, he's still faster than Maul.
But he's not slower than he was in RoT.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Yep.The two droids fired at Obi-Wan, but he batted their fired energy bolts back at them and cut them down as he moved fast for Dooku. Unfortunately, Dooku moved faster, extending his left hand toward Obi-Wan as he used the Force to lift the Jedi off his feet while at the same time constricting his throat.
-The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader
Eh, non-canon. Obi-Wan reaches Dooku in the movie, who takes him out while parrying him, not by being faster than him.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Yep.But Obi-Wan, while not so experienced as Qui-Gon, was quicker. Anticipating each blow, he was able to elude his antagonist's efforts to bring him down.
-The Phantom Menace
Interesting. So Obi-Wan was quicker than Qui-Gon even as of TMP? That certainly doesn't look good for Qui-Gon.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
roflGet your facts right. When Maul couldn't track Sidious' blade, it wasn't after starving for a month... it was after a training section:
The lightsaber whirls in the air, twirling, held in my Master's hand. I can't track it, it moves so fast. But I know it's heading for me.
Lord Sidious moves faster than my eye can follow. I smell heat and smoke. The laser traces the outline of my body, my face, my hands. The buzz is loud in my ear. One flinch, one involuntary twitch of a muscle, and I am dead.
I do not flinch.
At last, Lord Sidious deactivates my weapon. He tosses it toward me. The sweat on my palm almost causes me to drop it.
-Episode I Journal: Darth Maul
I see we've been talking about separate events. A simple misunderstanding. This also occurs in the quote I supplied. Either way, who cares? It was Maul still as a mere apprentice. When did this training session occur? How fast was Maul at that point? Even if he was fast, the quote indicates that he was exhausted. He was sweaty enough to drop his lightsaber. Clearly he was not in peak condition.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Is it not obvious that, when a planet feels strong with the dark side, that it is a nexus?
It wasn't the whole planet, it simply the cells of the Stone Prison. Bane simply says that the dark side was strong there because of the suffering that had taken place in the prison. Which is why its ridiculous to think its a nexus. If a nexus popped up everywhere a few people died the universe would be drowning in nexuses.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
That has nothing to do with it. We know for a fact that DoE Bane is slower than once. She never imagined him to be as fast because he'd held back in his training sessions... is that so hard to grasp?
The quote is that 'He was faster than she could ever have imagined.'
Do you know what the word 'ever' means?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
haha. Maul has moved ''easily five times faster'' than a normal human: Bane moving twice as fast as a human is not as impressive, neither is his other feats you mentioned.
🙄
I did not say he was that fast, I said he was at least that fast. I was severely lowballing to make a point.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Again, nexus and with double the blades, both increasing the amount of afterimages he'd make.
Indeed. But Kas'im's feat is still superior in my eyes.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Anakin is faster than Dooku, and Yoda is faster than Anakin. By much? No, but it's still a difference.Being faster than Anakin puts Yoda tiers above Bane in terms of speed.
When you assume you make an ass out of u and me.
Okay, but you know you're essentially arguing that Yodas faster than Anakin to the point where he wouldn't even be able to see him, and that Anakin is faster than Dooku, who was able to duel Yoda closely enough to avoid capture and exhaust Yoda. Riiiiight? Thats what this all adds up to.
I didn't say that Bane was faster than Zonikan. Regular Anakin I would say that he is though.
And 'tiers'? **** me, you really lowball Bane don't you?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Answer honestly: do you really think Maul produced ten thousands of lunges in his fight in TPM? Against Anoon Bondara or his apprentice?
No, but you're being incredibly vague about how 'short' this training session was so theres no actuial comparison here.
What exactly is your point here?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Might have missed your point. You just said she had impressive defensive qualities.
I just quoted myself where I said she was 'extremely swift'. And I just did it again! ARE YOU HAPPY NOW!!!
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Except we know nothing of Bane's power inbetween DoE and RoT and it'd be ridiculous for Karpyshan to refer to such a period because of just that: our lack of knowledge of it.
Well Karpyshan's a fairly crappy writer so I wouldn't put it passed him. It just says that he's slower. ~End of discussion.~
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Except Bane isn't a better duelist than Maul. Bane lost to Kas'im, was winning against Zannah and, if I recall so, was losing against the Jedi in RoT. Maul has beaten Jinn, Bondara, Kenobi, Bondara's padawan (forgot name) and random Jedi in Sith Hunters.
Bane lost because of a specific weakness he has that Maul isn't going to exploit. He was winning until then and wasn't as his best. He wasn't losing to them and they were under Battle Meditation AND were impressive Jedi Masters in their own right (Farfalla defeat Sith Lord Kopecz in a lightsaber duel, who was fast enough to kill an entire squad of the Republics best before they could fire more than once and Raskta Lsu killed more Sith Lords than the Thought Bomb, was likened to Kas'im in terms of skill, was verbally fellated by the narration and dual wielded, which is Banes weakness).
They're comparable in terms of skill in my books, but Bane definitely is more powerful and faster than Maul, as well as being bigger and stronger.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Seems like some kind of tap into potential.
Zannah is more powerful than Maul, yes. But she'd actualized her power by DoE so you can hardly argue that she's not be able to replicate it. She's the Dark Lord of the Sith by the end.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
The common conclusion os made by Obi-Wan fanboys who ignore context of their fights. Really, Maul has already defeated him in Season 4 final and then fought him equally (while not ready and holding back) in Season 5.
And the fact that he had Savage Oppress fighting with him more than makes up for him 'not being ready'. Really anyone who loses in a two on one fight and then complains that they were disadvantaged is a ****ing pussy. 😆
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Yeah, no. Maul has survived a month fighting assassin droids with no food or water, still being strong enough to attempt defeating Sidious afterwards.
Which isn't an example of combat endurance. It doesn't mean that he wouldn't get sloppy and leave himself open to counter attacks from Zannah. Like he did when he was fleeing with Savage for example.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
So? I could and do feel the same about Bane's feat. Same thing goes.Also, the majority of Maul's speed-feats comes from his journal, but I tend to ignore this one:
They are no match for me. They chase me, shaking their gaderffii sticks, but they cannot catch me. I am a streak of darkness, faster than light.
Except that Bane's feat is nowhere near as ridiculous. You're comparing catching raindrops to LIGHTSPEED. Do you know how fast LIGHT is? There is no comparison.
Banes feat was something like mach 2. Light speed is mach 880991.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol, thats from Harths collection of darkside artifacts. That it reminds her of Force crystals should have been a clue for you:'She tested the door and was surprised when it opened easily. Obviously, Set was confident in his privacy-but then, he no doubt had never suspected that a Sith might come to visit. Stepping into the room, she found it small and plain next to the rest of the mansion. There were no works of art, and the only furnishing was a display case set against the back wall a few meters away. By the light of her glow lamp, she could see an array of jewelry carefully arranged in the display case: rings, necklaces, amulets, and even crowns, all imbued with the power of the dark side.'
Its not a nexus and besides that they don't even fight there, but in Harths lounge.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You're a funny man. Even without a nexus Banes lightning is powerful enough to incinerate beings and disintegrate stone. Even weakened by Cognus and stunned it can disintegrate a tangle net and he can block a half dozen concussion grenades. Fast enough to block every rain drop in a howling storm for 20 minutes. Powerful enough to dominate and crush Sith Lords like paper.
So? Maul is powerful enough to end his fight against Obi-Wan by hurling into a wall so hard it collapsed the ceiling and he literally chokes the life out of him in the TCW comic.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Do you really believe he's so much less powerful in DoE that he went from easily being above Maul (in RoT) to not having shit on him?
Originally posted by Nephthys
A 'fraction', yes. Not exactly a huge amount is it? Even if he is, he's still faster than Maul.But he's not slower than he was in RoT.
Yes he is.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Eh, non-canon. Obi-Wan reaches Dooku in the movie, who takes him out while parrying him, not by being faster than him.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Interesting. So Obi-Wan was quicker than Qui-Gon even as of TMP? That certainly doesn't look good for Qui-Gon.
Also, Maul is faster than Jinn.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I see we've been talking about separate events. A simple misunderstanding. This also occurs in the quote I supplied. Either way, who cares? It was Maul still as a mere apprentice. When did this training session occur? How fast was Maul at that point? Even if he was fast, the quote indicates that he was exhausted. He was sweaty enough to drop his lightsaber. Clearly he was not in peak condition.
As for your second point, it was Sidious fighting so fast that made his blade hot that made Maul sweat.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It wasn't the whole planet, it simply the cells of the Stone Prison. Bane simply says that the dark side was strong there because of the suffering that had taken place in the prison. Which is why its ridiculous to think its a nexus. If a nexus popped up everywhere a few people died the universe would be drowning in nexuses.
Once again he could feel the power of the dark side. It was strong in this place; the misery and suffering of centuries hung in the air here. Bane could almost hear the screams of all the countless victims still echoing off the walls.
-Dynasty of Evil
Originally posted by Nephthys
The quote is that 'He was faster than she could [b]ever have imagined.'Do you know what the word 'ever' means? [/B]
Originally posted by Nephthys
🙄I did not say he was that fast, I said he was at least that fast. I was severely lowballing to make a point.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Indeed. But Kas'im's feat is still superior in my eyes.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Okay, but you know you're essentially arguing that Yodas faster than Anakin to the point where he wouldn't even be able to see him, and that Anakin is faster than Dooku, who was able to duel Yoda closely enough to avoid capture and exhaust Yoda. Riiiiight? Thats what this all adds up to.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I didn't say that Bane was faster than Zonikan. Regular Anakin I would say that he is though.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And 'tier[b]s'? **** me, you really lowball Bane don't you? [/B]
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, but you're being incredibly vague about how 'short' this training session was so theres no actuial comparison here.
Originally posted by Nephthys
What exactly is your point here?
Originally posted by Nephthys
I just quoted myself where I said she was 'extremely swift'. And I just did it again! ARE YOU HAPPY NOW!!!
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well Karpyshan's a fairly crappy writer so I wouldn't put it passed him. It just says that he's slower. ~End of discussion.~
Originally posted by Nephthys
They're comparable in terms of skill in my books, but Bane definitely is more powerful and faster than Maul, as well as being bigger and stronger.
We've been over the speed-thing. Stronger? Maybe, but again, Maul's legs seemed to nullify Opress' strength completely, and he is quite strong in his own right having shattered a door with a punch so it'd be almost negligible. Maul's telekinetic feats exceed's Bane's.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Zannah is more powerful than Maul, yes. But she'd actualized her power by DoE so you can hardly argue that she's not be able to replicate it. She's the Dark Lord of the Sith by the end.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And the fact that he had Savage Oppress fighting with him more than makes up for him 'not being ready'. Really anyone who loses in a two on one fight and then complains that they were disadvantaged is a ****ing pussy. 😆
Originally posted by Nephthys
Which isn't an example of combat endurance. It doesn't mean that he wouldn't get sloppy and leave himself open to counter attacks from Zannah. Like he did when he was fleeing with Savage for example.
Unless we're scripting the fight, Maul is not gonna get sloppy. Sidious explictly says in Maul's journal that he had taught him not to be underestimating his enemies, and Maul worked on developing his tactical abilities anyways.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Except that Bane's feat is nowhere near as ridiculous. You're comparing catching raindrops to LIGHTSPEED. Do you know how fast LIGHT is? There is no comparison.Banes feat was something like mach 2.[b] Light speed is mach 880991.
[/B]
Originally posted by Nephthys
So it isn't actually fact that Palpatine erased those peoples minds huh? Apparantly its not even likely. Interesting that Gideon never mentioned that whenever he brought the feat up.
Probably because that wasn't the source Gideon was using when he referenced that feat.
The poor sap's been gone for almost 3 years now and he's still a step ahead of you. That's embarrassing.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Zannah has succesfully caught his lightning with her saber, I don't see why Maul would be different. Besides, being a Zabrak, he can tolerate high amounts of pain.So? Maul is powerful enough to end his fight against Obi-Wan by hurling into a wall so hard it collapsed the ceiling and he literally chokes the life out of him in the TCW comic.
Indeed, because Mauls displayed the ability to do that when he blocked lightning against.....
....... mmm
Also, lmao. Yes, since he's a Zabrak he can surely tolerate being disintegrated. I R GUD At SCIENCE.
Yes, thats totally the same thing as what I said. Because we all know how impressive Obi-Wan is with TK. Remember when he.......
....... mmm
Obi-Wan has also been overpowered by Savage and Ventress. Are they more powerful than Bane as well?
(which comic?)
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Feats indicate that. Bane is, at best, equal to Maul in terms of power. Bane muses in DoE that he'd been a smoking husk five years later.
Bane was becoming enfeebled from the effects of the orbalisks and age. His power is not mentioned as being diminished however. That he is 'less impressive' in your eyes (despite him performing many of the same feats) does not mean that he was weaker. It seemly means that he didn't display his power to the same level. That in itself does not equal being weaker.
The text at no point mentions his powers being weaker. This is pure, unsupported speculation. Give me a shred of evidence that his power was weaker or drop the point.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
I don't see how he is faster than Maul when concerning combat-speed.Yes he is.
And I don't see how Maul approaches him.
Show me some evidence of that.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Nah, Dooku was just faster.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Qui-Gon is still quite fast.Also, Maul is faster than Jinn.
Ooh, 'quite fast' huh? Yes, I can recall that highly hyperbolic statement you had about him. Pretty neeeeat!
He didn't seem to be that much faster than him. He needed to stun him first to get passed his guard.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
At this point of time, Maul moves in the time it takes for an onlooker to blink, moves in a blur, moves so fast that an eyelooker would not be able to tell which of his blows came first, and then did the session in which he threw ten thousands of lunges. At this point, he's trained so much that he knows each of his moves ''intimately'', without ''making a mistake of misstep in years'', doing the maneuvers hundred times a day as his basic exercises. He's hardly a weakling at this point.As for your second point, it was Sidious fighting so fast that made his blade hot that made Maul sweat.
None of that is as impressive as Bane's feats. In particular his 'moves so fast that an eyelooker would not be able to tell which of his blows came first' accolade barely matches up with Bane considering Bane appeared to wield 12 lightsabers at once well eclipses this.
Incorrect, that isn't mentioned in the text and you just made that up there. 😐
Originally posted by Intrepid37[/b][/quote]
Nah, obviously something horrible had happened, like Vjun and the cave at Dagobah.Once again he could feel the power of the dark side. It was strong in this place; the misery and suffering of centuries hung in the air here. Bane could almost hear the screams of all the countless victims still echoing off the walls.
-Dynasty of Evil
Er, Vjun had the entire planet go insane and massacred each other to form the nexus. And Dagobah had a Dark Jedi's energy infect. Neither are really comparable to a simple prison.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
It amuses me that you can't properly comprehend your own citation.
Such a compelling argument. My point stands. Bane was moving faster than Zannah could 'ever' have imagined. Meaning he was faster than in RoT.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Where did you get the idea of Bane moving faster than a human.
😐
Bane was beating Kas'im you know.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
You're making the gap between Dooku and Anakin and Anakin and Yoda bigger than it actually is.
If Anakin is really so inferior to Sidious that he can't even see him when fighting and Yoda is Sidious' equal, then that would seem to be the logical gap would it not?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Really? That Dooku could only see multiple afterimages of Anakin's blade is definitely above anything Bane has done.
Firstly, If you're talking about that 'Skywalker was everywhere' quote, thats hyperbole and doesn't actually indicate that he was seeing afterimages.
Secondly, Dooku was still blocking Anakin and its not mentioned that he's having any trouble with his speed or keeping up with him.
Thirdly, I didn't say that Bane could beat Zonakin, nor that he was faster than him. I said that Anakin wouldn't stomp him.
Fourthly, considering Dooku was blocking him, I fail to see how it is definitely above Bane or that its fast enough for him not to defend against it. Don't tell me, you think Dooku's faster than Bane as well. facepalm
And no it isn't.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
No.
According to you Darth Bane is only as powerful as Maul, and several tiers below Yoda. Thats the lowest I've seen anyone rate Bane.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
He does his basic exercise hundred times a day, and that's only his ''BASIC'' excersie which would mean he'd still have time for other activities.
Too indefinite to use as a feat. Futhermore, he could simply have been on a planet that has 80 hour days.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
That combat-speed =/= speed shown in training
Except that it obviously does. Just because they're not throwing the same amount of attacks doesn't mean they're not moving as fast.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
I'm completely lost.
We agree for once.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
They're definitely comparable in terms of skill but Maul still edges it in my opinion. He's slain Anoon Bondara easily, and his padawan and Qui-Gon muses that his skills were some of the best. He also slew Qui-Gon himself with little difficulty, and Jinn is one of the best in the order. He's regarded as one of the most skilled and most highly trained Sith in history. Seems superior to Bane.We've been over the speed-thing. Stronger? Maybe, but again, Maul's legs seemed to nullify Opress' strength completely, and he is quite strong in his own right having shattered a door with a punch so it'd be almost negligible. Maul's telekinetic feats exceed's Bane's.
Bane has also fought with extremely skilled opponents. And unlike Anoon and Qui-Gon they have things to back up their supposed elite status. Kas'im and Raskta actually have feats which make Bane dueling them impressive.
Why would Maul's legs nullify strength? 😬 Legs have nothing to do with blocking something with your arms.
Mauls feats do not exceed Bane's. 😐
Originally posted by Intrepid37
It's not my job to prove a negative.
Did I ask you to?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
No. Maul wasn't ready, was holding back and was hindered by the size of the cave they fought it.
How exactly wasn't Maul ready? There wasn't anything affecting him. And all these amazingly potent disadvantages are highly offset by Savages presence. The fact that he lost is nothing short of an embarrassment and no handwaving up some pitiful disadvantages for him can change that.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
I was more trying to make a point that she wouldn't outlast him.Unless we're scripting the fight, Maul is not gonna get sloppy. Sidious explictly says in Maul's journal that he had taught him not to be underestimating his enemies, and Maul worked on developing his tactical abilities anyways.
Except she will. And I know. But as I pointed out, your point had nothing to do with combat endurance. Maul didn't fight for a month straight, he just survived.
Which explains how he died from underestimating his opponent. And how he almost died twice in Shadow Hunter for.... underestimating his opponent. And how he had to run from Kenobi in Revival because he underestimated him. And how he lost to Darth Vader by underestimating him.
But I was talking about him getting sloppy from tiredness. Which is Zannahs whole strategy.
Although personally the fact that he had to run from assassin droids is pretty pathetic. You just know Bane would have vaporised the lot on the first day.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
No, but his feat is ridiculous in comparison to his other ones. One showing does not outweigh the average.
It actually isn't that far off. Being able to move fast enough to appear to have 12 lightsabers from a powerful Force users perspective isn't that far below being able to block rain. If at all.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
The entire excerpt of their excursion on Dromund Kaas indicates that they feel emanations from the nexus whenever they draw on the Force. Even passively. Luke mentions the Sith are being reinforced by its energy during the battle and they experience weakness without choosing to.Occam's Razor dictates that the simplest explanation be our starting point. A nexus is simply a localization of Force energy. Ergo, when one draws on the Force in such an area it stands to reason that Force user's abilities are heightened. Your insistence that the dark side in a dark side nexus must be tapped into with effort by a dark sider has no basis when it's effects are noted as involuntary otherwise.
That there is any reason at all to believe the feats were performed with aid from a nexus is reason enough to disqualify them.
Exceptions can't be made simply because you like Bane.
I checked and I didn't see anything mentioning emanations whenever they draw on the Force. Also Luke doesn't mention that, its part of the narration from Ben's perspective.
Occam's Razor only works if you can agree on the most likely explanation. I do not agree with yours, therefor its pointless to bring it up. A nexus might be a localization of Force energy, but More Force doesn't equal More Power necessarily. The ability to command greater amounts of Force equal More Power. A persons ability to manipulate the Force is dictated by their amount of midi-chlorians (as well as other factors). Without actually accessing a Force Nexus, your ability to manipulate the Force would stay the same. Like if I was picking up water in a bucket. My bucket doesn't get bigger just because theres more water around. I need to actually buy a new bucket or something.
Bullshit. You speculating that they might be drawing on the nexus means nothing. The mere presence of a nexus disqualifies ****all.
They sense the dark side radiating from the nexus whenever they draw on the Force.
It was Luke's perspective.
Your middle paragraph is moronic. No one said they're drawing on their own powers, they'd be drawing on borrowed power from the nexus in question.
I've already provided evidence of a nexus's effects being immediate. You haven't provided evidence of the reverse. What's more, you're only objecting because it diminishes Bane in your eyes. Your bias might be tolerable if you could craft a decent argument to support it, but all you've really said is "Waaah, waaah but Bane isn't as awesome if he was using the nexus!"
At best, it's nebulous; feats performed on a Force nexus cannot be logically said to be part of a character's standard array of feats, no matter who they are or how much you like them.
I'm officially bored with you and this subject, Neph. You've failed me and Bane... yet again.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Indeed, because Mauls displayed the ability to do that when he blocked lightning against............ mmm
Also, lmao. Yes, since he's a Zabrak he can surely tolerate [b]being disintegrated.
I R GUD At SCIENCE. [/B]
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, thats totally the same thing as what I said. Because we all know how impressive Obi-Wan is with TK. Remember when he.............. mmm
Obi-Wan has also been overpowered by Savage and Ventress. Are they more powerful than Bane as well?
And I've seen pictures of Obi-Wan moving Durge's ship.
Originally posted by Nephthys
(which comic?)
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane was becoming enfeebled from the effects of the orbalisks and age. His power is not mentioned as being diminished however. That he is 'less impressive' in your eyes (despite him performing many of the same feats) does not mean that he was weaker. It seemly means that he didn't display his power to the same level. That in itself does not equal being weaker.[QUOTE=14384614]Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]The text at no point mentions his powers being weaker. This is pure, unsupported speculation. Give me a shred of evidence that his power was weaker or drop the point.
Also, a big LOL at this:
Originally posted by Nephthys
That he is 'less impressive' in your eyes (despite him performing many of the same feats) does not mean that he was weaker. It seemly means that he didn't display his power to the same level.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And I don't see how Maul approaches him.Show me some evidence of that.
I'm not aware of such.
Also, Maul sees a needle which by default is almost too fast to see, in slow motion:
Rapier lunged at full extension, its metal knee joint bent almost to the floor. The needle point flickered toward Maul's heart, almost too fast to see.
The dark side blossomed in Darth Maul, the power of it resonating in him like black lightning, augmenting his years of training, guiding his reactions. Time seemed to slow, to stretch.
It would have been easy to chop the blade itself in half, as few metals could resist the frictionless edge of a lightsaber. But there was no challenge to that. Maul spun toward the point, twisted around the outside, and snapped his hands horizontally at chest level. The left blade of the lightsaber sheared through Rapier's sword arm. Both arm and weapon clattered to the floor.
-Shadow Hunter
Originally posted by Nephthys
Originally posted by Nephthys
Ooh, 'quite fast' huh? Yes, I can recall that highly hyperbolic statement you had about him. Pretty neeeeat!
Originally posted by Nephthys
He didn't seem to be that much faster than him. He needed to stun him first to get passed his guard.
As per TPM novelization, Maul was ''gaining ground rapidly'' when they met on Tatooine, but Jinn kept up well.
Originally posted by Nephthys
None of that is as impressive as Bane's feats. In particular his 'moves so fast that an eyelooker would not be able to tell which of his blows came first' accolade barely matches up with Bane considering Bane appeared to wield 12 lightsabers at once well eclipses this.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Incorrect, that isn't mentioned in the text and you just made that up there. 😐
Maul doesn't break a sweat after lunging and running over ten thousands of times, you think he sweats after killing assassin droids?
Given that he could only ''smell heat and smoke'', it should be quite obvious.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Er, Vjun had the entire planet go insane and massacred each other to form the nexus. And Dagobah had a Dark Jedi's energy infect. Neither are really comparable to a simple prison.
''Missery and suffering for centuries...''
Originally posted by Nephthys
Such a compelling argument. My point stands. Bane was moving faster than Zannah could 'ever' have imagined. Meaning he was faster than in RoT.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane was [b]beating Kas'im you know. [/B]
Originally posted by Nephthys
If Anakin is really so inferior to Sidious that he can't even see him when fighting and Yoda is Sidious' equal, then that would seem to be the logical gap would it not?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Firstly, If you're talking about that 'Skywalker was everywhere' quote, thats hyperbole and doesn't actually indicate that he was seeing afterimages.
That blue blade was everywhere, flashing and whirling faster and faster until Dooku saw the room through an electric haze...
Originally posted by Nephthys
Secondly, Dooku was still blocking Anakin and its not mentioned that he's having any trouble with his speed or keeping up with him.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Thirdly, I didn't say that Bane could beat Zonakin, nor that he was faster than him. I said that Anakin wouldn't stomp him.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Fourthly, considering Dooku [b]was blocking him, I fail to see how it is definitely above Bane or that its fast enough for him not to defend against it. Don't tell me, you think Dooku's faster than Bane as well. facepalm [/B]
Originally posted by Nephthys
And no it isn't.
Originally posted by Nephthys
According to you Darth Bane is only as powerful as Maul, and several tiers below Yoda. Thats the lowest I've seen [b]anyone rate Bane. [/B]
And it's not my problem that Bane is severely overrated.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Too indefinite to use as a feat. Futhermore, he could simply have been on a planet that has 80 hour days.
For the matter, this line is right before he began the training:
My Master has called me to Coruscant, to a secret place where I remain hidden, waiting for him to summon me.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Except that it obviously does. Just because they're not throwing the same amount of attacks doesn't mean they're not moving as fast.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane has also fought with extremely skilled opponents. And unlike Anoon and Qui-Gon they have things to back up their supposed elite status. Kas'im and Raskta actually have feats which make Bane dueling them impressive.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Why would Maul's legs nullify strength? 😬 Legs have nothing to do with blocking something with your arms.
We can say that Maul is that strong by default too, I don't mind.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Mauls feats do [b]not exceed Bane's. 😐 [/B]
Originally posted by Nephthys
How exactly wasn't Maul ready? There wasn't anything affecting him.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And all these amazingly potent disadvantages are highly offset by Savages presence. The fact that he lost is nothing short of an embarrassment and no handwaving up some pitiful disadvantages for him can change that.
There's a reason why Kenobi has never beaten Maul.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Except she will. And I know. But as I pointed out, your point had nothing to do with combat endurance. Maul didn't fight for a month straight, he just survived.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Which explains how he died from underestimating his opponent. And how he almost died twice in Shadow Hunter for.... underestimating his opponent. And how he had to run from Kenobi in Revival because he underestimated him. And how he lost to Darth Vader by underestimating him.
Originally posted by Nephthys
But I was talking about him getting sloppy from tiredness. Which is Zannahs whole strategy.
You're acting as if the fight is gonna plat out by Zannah defending herself against his attack without tiring before he does.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Although personally the fact that he had to run from assassin droids is pretty pathetic. You just know Bane would have vaporised the lot on the first day.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It actually isn't that far off. Being able to move fast enough to appear to have 12 lightsabers from a powerful Force users perspective isn't that far below being able to block rain. If at all.
It's an outlier in terms of what DoE Bane is capable of.
