HOTM Hulk VS Superboy Prime

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
A weaker Hulk was healing from punches making holes in him. An even weaker Hulk healed from having his skin and muscles flayed from him. Considering Prime was amped when he fought Monarch and he consistently can't or doesn't rip apart high herald beings, I find it dubious he could do to Hulk. He can obviously hurt him, but don't act like Prime's going to not be hurt by Hulk's fists. It would probably be the straight up dumbest thing spouted in this thread.

So again with this amp bullshit? Prime burned off his amp before he ripped off Monarch's armor and him not ripping high heralds which he has done in the form of wildfire doesn't negates his high end feat. We're going with high end feats, right?

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said hulk can't hurt prime.

^ Nope the Hulk that Zeus beat is not the same Hulk that is being discussed in this thread Abhi. Per forum ruling you should stay on topic. This is World Breaker Hulk of the HOTM storyline. This is not Family Man hulk that lies down on a slab awaiting the Headsman to lop his dome off. This is not WW Hulk who is holding back, this is not the Savage Hulk or the Merged Hulk.

The Hulk that Zeus fought isn't comparable to World Breaker. And Prime doesn't have mystical based origin powers that can mess with Hulk.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So high end feats for hulk and lower end for connor? That same hulk which was healing holes in his body couldn't repair the beating Zeus gave him for three days. Surely healing holes in body is much better than some internal damage, right? Merged hulk also needed a whole day to heal some burns once.

So again with this amp bullshit? Prime burned off his amp before he ripped off Monarch's armor and him not ripping high heralds which he has done in the form of wildfire doesn't negates his high end feat. We're going with high end feats, right?

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said hulk can't hurt prime.

What low end feats am I using for Connor? Hulk wasn't nearly as straight up pissed off as he was during World War Hulk - and no, that doesn't mean WWH Green Scar would have beaten Zeus, so let me preemptively state that before you strawman me (again). Healing literal holes in your body, holes that would undoubtedly cause internal damage seeing as they're going INSIDE and OUT of your body is more impressive than healing from overall blunt force trauma, yes. And Savage Hulk got choked out by a snake as you love to remind people. The point is a sufficiently angry less powerful Hulk can heal nigh instantly from otherwise fatal injuries, let alone Pak's wet dream. Given those facts, I find it unlikely that Prime could literally rip apart HOTM Hulk. In fact, I find it outright retarded to suggest it.

And he was fighting a Monarch who severely and grossly underestimated him the whole time. Pretty sure if Monarch was intent on trolling the phuck out of Hulk and let him get angry enough, Hulk would have ripped through the armor as well.

Irony x9001.

Prime has been hurt multiple times by people exponentially below WBH physically. Under Pak, even at Pre World Breaker levels, Greenscar was doing things like thunderclap koing a hugely amped Rulk, and simultaneously trouncing two savage/Professor hulk level foes amped by a 1000 times. By the time he hit the exponentially higher World Breaker levels he was disintegrating multiple top tiers and armies of class 100s powerful to defeat skyfathers, with the shockwaves of his mid air collisions miles away. Not to mention he tanked the exponentially greater force at the epicentre of said collision without any trouble.

WBH appearances were limited and thus he was fortunate enough to always be consistently portrayed as being in a totally different dimension from top tier/ herald level characters. The same cannot be said for Prime

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What low end feats am I using for Connor? Hulk wasn't nearly as straight up pissed off as he was during World War Hulk - and no, that doesn't mean WWH Green Scar would have beaten Zeus, so let me preemptively state that before you strawman me (again). Healing literal holes in your body, holes that would undoubtedly cause internal damage seeing as they're going INSIDE and OUT of your body is more impressive than healing from overall blunt force trauma, yes. And Savage Hulk got choked out by a snake as you love to remind people. The point is a sufficiently angry less powerful Hulk can heal nigh instantly from otherwise fatal injuries, let alone Pak's wet dream. Given those facts, I find it unlikely that Prime could literally rip apart HOTM Hulk. In fact, I find it outright retarded to suggest it.

And he was fighting a Monarch who severely and grossly underestimated him the whole time. Pretty sure if Monarch was intent on trolling the phuck out of Hulk and let him get angry enough, Hulk would have ripped through the armor as well.

Irony x9001.

Originally posted by Stoic
How many times has Savage Hulk literally bent Machine Man?

As it has been said, this is not Savage Hulk, but the World Breaker of the Heart of the Monster storyline.

Snake, Spider Man, and Machine Man are GNATS to Savage Hulk compared to Mjolnirless Thor, yet they straight up beat Savage Hulk.

Connor is a GNAT compared to SBP yet he does better against him than High Herald characters like Superman? P I S. That's what it is. So using Connor as a way to insult SBP is meaningless.

Originally posted by zopzop
It's exactly the same. It's called PIS. It's just that this forum seems to sh|t all over SBP for some odd reason.

On panel we have a snake, Machine Man, and Spiderman doing what Mjolnirless Thor couldn't to Savage Hulk : beat him. If those instances are PIS and bringing them up is lowballing then so is Connor being able to survive, much less hurt, a being of SBP's level.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not relevant to HOTM and it isn't a one time thing it's the way he stacks up against Prime.

Originally posted by zopzop
Read my post just above yours.

Originally posted by zopzop
I know. But I was just using the Savage Hulk vs snake/Machine Man/Spider Man vs Savage Hulk vs Mjolnirless Thor as an example.

Snake, Spider Man, and Machine Man are GNATS to Savage Hulk compared to Mjolnirless Thor, yet they straight up beat Savage Hulk.

Connor is a GNAT compared to SBP yet he does better against him than High Herald characters like Superman? P I S. That's what it is. So using Connor as a way to insult SBP is meaningless.

Except he very clearly isn't a GNAT. Gnat's aren't able to draw blood and endure a horrific ass kicking before being KO'd or killed. If anything, Conner's a feral wildcat. Outclassed in every way, but not to the degree where he can't do some damage.

Even if you think it's PIS (it's not when compared to the other beings capable of consistently causing Prime pain and discomfort), Superboy hurting Prime every time they throw down =/= a snake choking out a vastly inferior Hulk than the one in this thread.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He was getting his ass kicked but was still able to hurt Prime pretty much every single time they fought. Conner isn't > Prime, but he's obviously at a level where Prime can't no sell him and can't obliterate him without effort.

Where are you getting this "every single time" stuff from? 😐
He DID OBLITERATE HIM.Conner was flat out outclassed in their first encounter. In the second, the only reason he got a few punches off was because of the distraction from Wondergirl who was getting curbstomped. That same fist that was delivering punches got crunched by Prime after he decided he'd had enough.

Originally posted by zopzop
It's exactly the same. It's called PIS. It's just that this forum seems to sh|t all over SBP for some odd reason.

👆 I don't understand it. 😬

Originally posted by Stoic
^ Nope the Hulk that Zeus beat is not the same Hulk that is being discussed in this thread Abhi. Per forum ruling you should stay on topic. This is World Breaker Hulk of the HOTM storyline. This is not Family Man hulk that lies down on a slab awaiting the Headsman to lop his dome off. This is not WW Hulk who is holding back, this is not the Savage Hulk or the Merged Hulk.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Hulk that Zeus fought isn't comparable to World Breaker. And Prime doesn't have mystical based origin powers that can mess with Hulk.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What low end feats am I using for Connor? Hulk wasn't nearly as straight up pissed off as he was during World War Hulk - and no, that doesn't mean WWH Green Scar would have beaten Zeus, so let me preemptively state that before you strawman me (again). Healing literal holes in your body, holes that would undoubtedly cause internal damage seeing as they're going INSIDE and OUT of your body is more impressive than healing from overall blunt force trauma, yes. And Savage Hulk got choked out by a snake as you love to remind people. The point is a sufficiently angry less powerful Hulk can heal nigh instantly from otherwise fatal injuries, let alone Pak's wet dream. Given those facts, I find it unlikely that Prime could literally rip apart HOTM Hulk. In fact, I find it outright retarded to suggest it.

And he was fighting a Monarch who severely and grossly underestimated him the whole time. Pretty sure if Monarch was intent on trolling the phuck out of Hulk and let him get angry enough, Hulk would have ripped through the armor as well.

Irony x9001.

Hulk absorbed all the power intelligencia stole him from him at the end of WWH. He was flat out more powerful than the hulk Zom strange fought and that was further shown when he fought a Chaos king amped Zom strange in Hulk 619.

I'm not saying any of that. You are taking high end feats from hulk like healing holes in his body but ignoring a more powerful hulk unable to heal internal damage by Zeus.

Again with Monarch trolling bit? I fail to see what is the point of that? Does that somehow negated Monarch's durability.

Stay in thor camp jake. I know far more about hulk and superman than you can ever imagine.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Except he very clearly isn't a GNAT. Gnat's aren't able to draw blood and endure a horrific ass kicking before being KO'd or killed. If anything, Conner's a feral wildcat. Outclassed in every way, but not to the degree where he can't do some damage.

Even if you think it's PIS (it's not when compared to the other beings capable of consistently causing Prime pain and discomfort), Superboy hurting Prime every time they throw down =/= a snake choking out a vastly inferior Hulk than the one in this thread.

And I know Savage Hulk is "vastly" inferior to WBH, that's not the point. My point was gnats did what Mjolnirless Thor couldn't do vs Savage Hulk which is PIS. Just like the gnat Connor doing better vs SBP than even Superman himself is PIS.

Originally posted by zopzop
Except he IS! Connor surviving a panel vs SBP is PIS of the highest order.

And I know Savage Hulk is "vastly" inferior to WBH, that's not the point. My point was gnats did what Mjolnirless Thor couldn't do vs Savage Hulk which is PIS. Just like the gnat Connor doing better vs SBP than even Superman himself is PIS.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Where are you getting this "every single time" stuff from? 😐
He [b]DID OBLITERATE HIM.Conner was flat out outclassed in their first encounter. In the second, the only reason he got a few punches off was because of the distraction from Wondergirl who was getting curbstomped. That same fist that was delivering punches got crunched by Prime after he decided he'd had enough.

👆 I don't understand it. 😬 [/B]

Every time he's battled Prime, especially right before and after he died, he's been able to hurt him. Often to the point where he literally forces him to cry out in pain. Coupled with the fact that actual high heralds such as J'onn and Hal Jordan are capable of doing so as well, it's anything but PIS that Conner is able to harm him. Conner isn't on Prime's level, clearly, but he's at a threshold where he can hurt Prime and be hurt by Prime without instantly dying. What's PIS about that? If Prime no sold attacks by high heralds consistently you might have a point, but he doesn't in spite of being overall more powerful than them.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nobody said it was. Where's the proof that Zeus messed up with Hulk's HF?

Read the comic and the following issues. Hulk's healing factor was greatly diminished, working at like 5% it's usual rate. He literally beat the healing factor out of Hulk. Prime can't do that, he isn't a Skyfather.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The hulk Zeus beat is more powerful than the hulk Zom strange fought which jake brought up.
Nobody said it was. Where's the proof that Zeus messed up with Hulk's HF?
For prime. Typo.

Hulk absorbed all the power intelligencia stole him from him at the end of WWH. He was flat out more powerful than the hulk Zom strange fought and that was further shown when he fought a Chaos king amped Zom strange in Hulk 619.

I'm not saying any of that. You are taking high end feats from hulk like healing holes in his body but ignoring a more powerful hulk unable to heal internal damage by Zeus.

Originally posted by zopzop
Except he IS! Connor surviving a panel vs SBP is PIS of the highest order.

And I know Savage Hulk is "vastly" inferior to WBH, that's not the point. My point was gnats did what Mjolnirless Thor couldn't do vs Savage Hulk which is PIS. Just like the gnat Connor doing better vs SBP than even Superman himself is PIS.

Bullshit.

If Superman was in any position to actually fight Prime for the same duration that Conner was in, I have no doubt that he'd do at least as well. Hell, Superman was more concerned trying to get through to Prime more often than he was trying to fight and beat him.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Where are you getting this "every single time" stuff from? 😐
He [b]DID OBLITERATE HIM.Conner was flat out outclassed in their first encounter. In the second, the only reason he got a few punches off was because of the distraction from Wondergirl who was getting curbstomped. That same fist that was delivering punches got crunched by Prime after he decided he'd had enough.

👆 I don't understand it. 😬 [/B]

HOTM Hulk would have turned Wonder Girl and Connor into dust though. I think that's the point that is trying to be delivered here.