Russell Edgington vs Edward Cullen

Originally posted by KingD19
If you watch the movies, it's clear that in movement speed the vamps are higher than the shifters(real werewolves were exterminated and killed massive amounts of vampires in the process), but they're fast enough in the reflex department to fight vampires. Still more often than not the vampire is shown to be superior. The Twi-Wolves being able to somewhat keep up with the Twi-Vamps doesn't make them slow. It makes them fast as hell.

They'd catch a True Blood vamp as well, and slaughter them since the Twi-Vamps are so much more powerful.

And everything is slow in TB compared to vampires. That rule doesn't apply to Twilight.

Not everything in TB is slow such as the Fae, the Maenad, or the witches.

TB universe is much more formidable over all than the shitty Volturri and that crappy tribe of Weres.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Just looked back at the calc dadudemon showed me and Edward's max is a hair above Mach 1 which is, assuming Eric is a bullet timer, around Russell's speed. Mind reading helping with the speed.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
If Eric is a bullet timer, then being a "hair above mach 1" should be nowhere near his speed. Even less so with Russell, considering he's supposed to be >/= to Eric in the speed department.

dadude's calc gave Edward a max of Mach 1.4.

^That depends on what type of bullet he was seeing in slowmo.

Considering that he was seeing it in slow motion, and acted only after it had been fired and had already covered a considerable amount of distance, we can safely estimate that his speed must have been well above Mach 1 in that instance. Probably in the middle spectrum of the supersonic range.

The distance he covered was about the same the bullet did after he moved.

With every other speed feat in the series being well below this, with Eric himself getting shot later, saying he's at best a bullet-dodger is fair enough. Nothing, not even older vampires, have shown to be notably above Eric.

Originally posted by BloodRain
The distance he covered was about the same the bullet did after he moved.

With every other speed feat in the series being well below this, with Eric himself getting shot later, saying he's at best a bullet-dodger is fair enough. Nothing, not even older vampires, have shown to be notably above Eric.

That hardly precludes the idea that they don't have the capability to go beyond that. Older vampires have speedblitzed younger vampires. I'd say they're on average faster.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Actually, he kind of overtook the bullet midway through the slow motion visual.

That hardly precludes the idea that they don't have the capability to go beyond that. Older vampires have speedblitzed younger vampires. I'd say they're on average faster.

If someone wants to claim Russell is supersonic, even with the negs on Eric that's fine. Seeing as he's not exceedingly faster we can't say how fast hed be. Ed is Ma1.4 from his calc, which with the vamp age growth is still a jump up from Ma1.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Not exactly but routinely failing to react to bullets or those below bullet speed does put the thought out there. And just like Eric being tagged by those half his age, he is able to tag vamps twice his age. Its not a dominating blitz these age gaps.

If someone wants to claim Russell is supersonic, even with the negs on Eric that's fine. Seeing as he's not exceedingly faster we can't say how fast hed be. Ed is Ma1.4 from his calc, which with the vamp age growth is still a jump up from Ma1.

Russell is exceedingly stronger though, and by the same logic he should be exceedingly faster as well. Not to mention that he's actually speedblitzed a combat-ready Bill before. The Mach number still depends on what type of gun was used by Sookie in that scenario. Until then, it's an unquantifiable, fan-made figure.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He didn't have any motivation to react to bullets in those instances. He did so in Sookie's house.

Russell is exceedingly stronger though, and by the same logic he should be exceedingly faster as well. Not to mention that he's actually speedblitzed a combat-ready Bill before. The Mach number still depends on what type of gun was used by Sookie in that scenario. Until then, it's an unquantifiable, fan-made figure.

Stronger, yes. Exceedingly? We don't see him display proper combat against vamps 1k and up. And Bill's a proven sub-sonic vamp not even 200 years old, blitzing him means little. Hey a handgun bullet could be faster or slower than Ma1, if someone wants to find the specifics good on them.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Like getting shot by Bill when under orders to kill him? Sub-sonic vamps catching him, whom he was trying to escape from, also the other times he's been rendered human when a guns pointed at him.

Stronger, yes. Exceedingly? We don't see him display proper combat against vamps 1k and up. And Bill's a proven sub-sonic vamp not even 200 years old, blitzing him means little. Hey a handgun bullet could be faster or slower than Ma1, if someone wants to find the specifics good on them.

Wut? Even in his weakened state when he staked Roman, he easily manhandled Eric. He tossed Salome like barby doll, and she's around Godric's age. No, what that proves is older vamps are faster than younger vamps. That's a base case, and one can reason based on this case that this applies in relation to all possible old vs young vamp scenarios(with the sole exception of Tara vs Jessica).

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He wasn't motivated to do so in that instance. Already proved it.

Wut? Even in his weakened state when he staked Roman, he easily manhandled Eric. He tossed Salome like barby doll, and she's around Godric's age. No, what that proves is older vamps are faster than younger vamps. That's a base case, and one can reason based on this case that this applies in relation to all possible old vs young vamp scenarios(with the sole exception of Tara vs Jessica).

Roman was half Eric's age, Salome had no engaged strength for him to match, and the one time he manhandled Eric was when the lights flicked off leaving the already shocked Eric at his mercy. No one has doubted that age does this, the doubt is that the gaps are so massively wide among someone like Eric to Russell when we've already seen that he can be tagged by Eric.

Originally posted by BloodRain
He was commanded, not retarded. Why would he not avoid death? Nothing proves those other instances.

Roman was half Eric's age, Salome had no engaged strength for him to match, and the one time he manhandled Eric was when the lights flicked off leaving the already shocked Eric at his mercy. No one has doubted that age does this, the doubt is that the gaps are so massively wide among someone like Eric to Russell when we've already seen that he can be tagged by Eric.

The point is that he manhandled both Roman and Eric in that instance despite being weakened. Salome was still around 2000 years old. Just because she lacks feats doesn't automatically mean that she's weaksauce. Russell has only been tagged once by Eric, and it was admittedly PIS.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Because the bullet couldn't kill him. He needed to keep the werewolf alive in the other instance. Completely different scenarios.

The point is that he manhandled both Roman and Eric in that instance despite being weakened. Salome was still around 2000 years old. Just because she lacks feats doesn't automatically mean that she's weaksauce. Russell has only been tagged once by Eric, and it was admittedly PIS.

While better than Bill, Roman means little. Eric, yes, though circumstances were present. And it'd not about her not having feats, its that the scene was him pushing her. That's all, no bout of his strength against his.
And has only blitzed him under one circumstantial scene.

Originally posted by BloodRain
If Bill, a vampire who knows all the weaknesses, fires a gun at another vampire.. its clear to all he'd know what he's doing. That is the same when he's been threatened with guns.

While better than Bill, Roman means little. Eric, yes, though circumstances were present. And it'd not about her not having feats, its that the scene was him pushing her. That's all, no bout of his strength against his.
And has only blitzed him under one circumstantial scene.

You're just deflecting now. I clearly mention that he easily manhandled Roman and later Eric even while being weakened, and somehow this means that he's not exceedingly stronger than them. He flung her like a rag doll, with such speed that she couldn't even counter. He was far superior to her in that scene.

Silver, actually. As said a vampire pulling a gun on a vampire equals danger. I believe that instance, Authority tagging him, Authority aiming guns at him, human guards doing the same or Jason seeming trigger happy towards Nora with Eric right there are times he'd have a reason to react accordingly.

Like I said, stronger than a vamp half Eric's age does not exactly reflect on their difference. Theres no deflecting. You believe Eric tagging Russell is situational, as do I with his assault on Eric. So she did not show resistance to his strength with her own?

I don't recall silver bullets ever being used until season 6. How did Eric know what the bullet was anyways? Authority vamps used wooden bullets to one-shot kill other vamps iirc.

He was stronger than both though, which is the point that you have been intentionally missing so far for some strange reason. He assaulted an aware Eric just after killing Roman. That's not situational, that's just Russell straight up overpowering Eric. Because she's younger than him, and hence his inferior.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I don't recall silver bullets ever being used until season 6. How did Eric know what the bullet was anyways? Authority vamps used wooden bullets to one-shot kill other vamps iirc.

He was stronger than both though, which is the point that you have been intentionally missing so far for some strange reason. He assaulted an aware Eric just after killing Roman. That's not situational, that's just Russell straight up overpowering Eric. Because she's younger than him, and hence his inferior.

When the topic is his strength compared to Eric's, I see no reason to discuss a vamp half that age. And Russell desperately wanting to flee from Eric before the sun got to him would be in a better light than that situation. Shock of Russ not dying and killing the chief, lights off, Authority charging in.. more situational than the speed tagging.
It doesn't matter your strength, if I were to push you and you didn't resist, you'd move. If she didn't fight back she didnt, we can't compare strength from that.

Originally posted by BloodRain
From Eric's own mouth. Why would Bill pull a gun on a vampire if they could shrug it off? Knowing Bill is not a moron is all you need to know to realize that of he shoots, it will hurt.

When the topic is his strength compared to Eric's, I see no reason to discuss a vamp half that age. And Russell desperately wanting to flee from Eric before the sun got to him would be in a better light than that situation. Shock of Russ not dying and killing the chief, lights off, Authority charging in.. more situational than the speed tagging.
It doesn't matter your strength, if I were to push you and you didn't resist, you'd move. If she didn't fight back she didnt, we can't compare strength from that.

Then you completely misunderstood my original post regarding the matter.

Even in his weakened state when he staked Roman, he easily manhandled Eric.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I'd like to know the episode number and season number. No offense, but unless I watch the scene for myself, I don't trust your opinion alone in and of itself.

Then you completely misunderstood my original post regarding the matter. This is what I said originally. I am citing the particular incident of Roman's asn an example of Russell overwhelming Eric. Roman getting overpowered, while an additional feat, is inconsequential to how Russell performs against thousand+ year old vamps. As I said, that instance of Eric catching the fleeing Russell is admittedly PIS, and the only reason I would ever bother referring to it would be ruffle up quan's feathers. Lol, Eric bared his fangs when Russell cornered him. That's not a shocked guy getting caught off-guard by his physical superior. That's a vampire on the aggressive, getting owned by his physical superior, as should always be the case.
She came onto him in a display of aggression. He straight up tossed her aside, and she wasn't vampire enough to retaliate against her physical superior.

But its not about Russell just being stronger, its meant to be him demonstrating that his completely dominating strength [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1bIBiO3lwk]when all we see is Russ jumping on him proceeding to an unseen, but not completely unheard scuffle. They fought and he won, its the greatest vampire he's shown his strength against. Why is it? Eric just managed to tag a vampire twice his age just as vampires half his age have managed to tag him.
Yes? She did not challenge her strength his own though.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Eric getting shot 0:37.

But its not about Russell just being stronger, its meant to be him demonstrating that his completely dominating strength [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1bIBiO3lwk]when all we see is Russ jumping on him proceeding to an unseen, but not completely unheard scuffle. They fought and he won, its the greatest vampire he's shown his strength against. Why is it? Eric just managed to tag a vampire twice his age just as vampires half his age have managed to tag him.
Yes? She did not challenge her strength his own though.

He overpowered him and stuck him atop a wall just before the Authority guards stormed the place. Not sure how exactly you're gonna prove that Russell lacks good strength feats against younger thousand year vamps, by citing one where he does exactly that.
Because she was completely outmatched. That's why. I thought you would've figured that out by now, but clearly, I overestimated you.