Russell Edgington vs Edward Cullen

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I've seen that before. Despite the part where it's mentioned that it was a silver bullet, Eric must have developed off the bat silver immunity for that instance alone, seeing how he pulled out the bullet without burning his hand. Or you're just being plain dishonest now. Seeing how that's an amnesiac, mind-controlled Eric doing all that sh1t anyways, which doesn't help your case at all.

He overpowered him and stuck him atop a wall just before the Authority guards stormed the place. Not sure how exactly you're gonna prove that Russell lacks good strength feats against younger thousand year vamps, by citing one where he does exactly that.
Because she was completely outmatched. That's why. I thought you would've figured that out by now, but clearly, I overestimated you.

It was mentioned in Wrong. In the first episode Eric states he knows everything besides personal memories, and being ordered has no effect on their personality or skills, all it does is make them carry out the order. To assume this makes them slower.. more susceptible to harm..? Or the other times Eric has been tagged by slower or threatened with a gun? Thing is even with these I'm still saying Eric is supersonic, but without having something solid telling us he's a notch above, all these negs tell us that it'd be supersonic only. Not to guess higher.

Easy, really. My point is that Russell is stronger than younger vamps, but like with speed its not shown to be a godly level above Eric. Just like how all this scene proves is that Russ is stronger.
Well maybe I've misjudged the logic where someone can see a character overpower anothers weight without them doing anything for it to somehow mean it was a strength on strength instance. Even weaker characters can throw a stronger one if the latter doesn't actively resist.

Seems to me you're drawing away from the actual point. You can say how Russ is greatly faster/stronger, but you'd have to have something hidden away that proves he's 150% Eric's speed. I'm not saying its impossible or unlikely. I'm saying without proper evidence, like Russ blitzing a bullet-timer like he did to sub-sonic vamps, its just assumptions.

Originally posted by BloodRain
It was mentioned in Wrong. In the first episode Eric states he knows everything besides personal memories, and being ordered has no effect on their personality or skills, all it does is make them carry out the order. To assume this makes them slower.. more susceptible to harm..? Or the other times Eric has been tagged by slower or threatened with a gun? Thing is even with these I'm still saying Eric is supersonic, but without having something solid telling us he's a notch above, all these negs tell us that it'd be supersonic only. Not to guess higher.

Easy, really. My point is that Russell is stronger than younger vamps, but like with speed its not shown to be a godly level above Eric. Just like how all this scene proves is that Russ is stronger.
Well maybe I've misjudged the logic where someone can see a character overpower anothers weight without them doing anything for it to somehow mean it was a strength on strength instance. Even weaker characters can throw a stronger one if the latter doesn't actively resist.

Seems to me you're drawing away from the actual point. You can say how Russ is greatly faster/stronger, but you'd have to have something hidden away that proves he's 150% Eric's speed. I'm not saying its impossible or unlikely. I'm saying without proper evidence, like Russ blitzing a bullet-timer like he did to sub-sonic vamps, its just assumptions.

You would be right were it not for the fact that Eric was mind-wiped when he actually did all that sh1t. As it stands, using an amnesiac, mind-controlled Eric getting shot by a silver bullet is not going to add anything to your argument.

What exactly do you mean by "godly level"? If you mean that Russell is to Eric what Superman would be to Captain America, then you're either misunderstanding the entire crux of our discussion, getting unnecessarily confused about what I have been saying so far, or are just going off on a tangent.
What exactly makes you think she wasn't actively resisting? She approached him in a threatening manner, he tossed her away like a rag doll, and then proceeded to give his boastful lecture to the other vamps. The fact that she didn't attempt to retaliate already speaks about the undeniable fact of his physical superiority over her, but for some reason you want to continue to deny the feat for what it is.

I don't have an exact quantifiable figure for how much faster Russell is than Eric. My opinion is centered around the fact that the difference is considerable, not as massive as the pro-Russell side would like to argue, nor as minimal/non-existent as the anti-Russell side would argue. Based on their age gap however, I'd say 2.5-3 times would be a reasonable estimation.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
You would be right were it not for the fact that Eric was mind-wiped when he actually did all that sh1t. As it stands, using an amnesiac, mind-controlled Eric getting shot by a silver bullet is not going to add anything to your argument.

What exactly do you mean by "godly level"? If you mean that Russell is to Eric what Superman would be to Captain America, then you're either misunderstanding the entire crux of our discussion, getting unnecessarily confused about what I have been saying so far, or are just going off on a tangent.
What exactly makes you think she wasn't actively resisting? She approached him in a threatening manner, he tossed her away like a rag doll, and then proceeded to give his boastful lecture to the other vamps. The fact that she didn't attempt to retaliate already speaks about the undeniable fact of his physical superiority over her, but for some reason you want to continue to deny the feat for what it is.

I don't have an exact quantifiable figure for how much faster Russell is than Eric. My opinion is centered around the fact that the difference is considerable, not as massive as the pro-Russell side would like to argue, nor as minimal/non-existent as the anti-Russell side would argue. Based on their age gap however, I'd say 2.5-3 times would be a reasonable [b]estimation. [/B]

("It was mentioned in Wrong"? dafaq was I typing there..)
And why is that? Eric states he knows exactly what he is, what he can do, so the amnesia isn't negating anything. We've seen that Marnie's orders do not make the vampire lose functions, so no reason to assume it did.

As in being 3x stronger. We can watch an irl fight with a similar result and the winner won't be over twice as strong.
The scene itself with her not even raising her arms up. She was shoved and did not touch him, now if she didn't touch him why are we thinking she used her strength against his own?

Main issue I have is giving Russell Ma3 speeds when all we know is that he's somewhat faster than supersonic vamp. With that same method we'd have a hypersonic Warlow and Bill from assumptions alone. If we had Russell blitzing Eric I'd say that him being twice as fast is quite possible, though even then it'd just be my guesswork giving figures.