Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I still put Avengers and IM1 above Cap2. But I fully get everyone's caught up in the excitement of this movie right now, because it is one of the best superhero movies out there IMO.
This is pretty much my feelings towards Winter Soldier. Granted Nephthys does provide an interesting point concerning Avengers
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Except the Fellowship of the Ring had pathos and epic quality. I don't know. It's not a bad film, but the way people talk about it, you'd think it cured cancer and blew them in the mornings.The writing was godawful.
The writing was not god awful. There were specific lines that were cheesy and weak, like Black Widow's "I don't see how that's a party". Overall, however, it was the writing that made it the smash hit it was. The writing created character interactions which have since become movie gold. Also, introducing such a large cast of prominent characters into a single storyline is pretty difficult. Whedon did a pretty good job.
I agree that plot was sacrificed for character interaction. Whedon had a simple invasion plot so that he could focus on character interaction/dialogue
Originally posted by marwash22
for you. for others, like me, that shit was boring af.
There's a correlation between intelligence and finding Tolkien boring, so I've heard.
Originally posted by Firefly218
The writing was not god awful. There were specific lines that were cheesy and weak, like Black Widow's "I don't see how that's a party". Overall, however, it was the writing that made it the smash hit it was. The writing created character interactions which have since become movie gold. Also, introducing such a large cast of prominent characters into a single storyline is pretty difficult. Whedon did a pretty good job.I agree that plot was sacrificed for character interaction. Whedon had a simple invasion plot so that he could focus on character interaction/dialogue
Plot = was lame.
The Villain = was weak.
The threat to the heroes = was contrived.
The humor = was over the top and forced in some situations.
The character development = was superficial.
The fights = were the only redeeming quality besides the insane budget and BW's ass.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
There's a correlation between intelligence and finding Tolkien boring, so I've heard.Plot = was lame.
The Villain = was weak.
The threat to the heroes = was contrived.
The humor = was over the top and forced in some situations.
The character development = was superficial.
The fights = were the only redeeming quality besides the insane budget and BW's ass.
I agree that the plot was unoriginal, and the villain underdeveloped.
The threat was sincere though. The threat was serious enough that the heroes came together.
The humor was hit and miss (mostly hit)
The avengers wasn't meant for significant character development. The characters were developed in their solo movies. Balancing such a large cast and having significant character development is too high of an expectation.
Fight scenes were awesome
The brilliance of this movie, and the reason it's so rewatchable, is its character interaction.
Originally posted by ares834
I do. I loved the film. Sure it wasn't deep like say The Dark Knight but it wasn't trying to be. It was a pure popcorn film that was an absolute blast to watch. Not since seeing The Fellowship of the Ring way back in 2001 have I ever been as "pumped-up" after seeing a movie.
TA wasn't pretentious, which is one of it's great strengths, and it's hard to top in terms of sheer entertainment value. TDK had a much stronger villain, but TA had better acting, sharper dialogue, deeper characterization, and a stronger central character: Downey Jr.'s Stark is 10x more engaging and interesting than Bale's Boreman.
People conflate 'dark' with 'depth' and it's humorous as shit.
Originally posted by ares834
😐Except, that's not what I'm doing at all. TDK actually has some thematic weight. Disagree all you want but I feel it explores its themes quite well.
I didn't claim you were doing that; that was a general remark to TDK fans the world over.
Its thematic exploration of a surveillance state was clumsy and, ironically, much more appropriate for a Captain America movie. TDK is undoubtedly a "heavier" movie than TA due to its near total lack of levity, humor, and wit. But at the end of the day, it takes itself far more seriously than it has a right to when its protagonist is a man dressed like an anthropomorphic homosexual bat. This is why, in hindsight, I preferred Burton's Batman. It didn't take itself too seriously.
Now that said, TDK is a great movie. In fact, I fell under its spell much quicker and deeper than I did TA. Ledger is a tour de force; Oldman, Caine, Freeman, et al. all give good performances. And Bale isn't terrible, he's just hamstrung by a script that fails to make Batman anything other than boring. Nolan definitely does dark well.