HOTM Hulk vs GA Superboy Prime

Originally posted by Stoic
And I don't see either of them pulling a majority. Neither showed anything that suggests either could pull a majority based on the power stunts displayed on panel. It comes down to preference here, and many posters chiming in seem to have conveniently forgotten what happened on panel, or simply failed to mention the best feats from both parties. Low balls were flung in an attempt to dismiss feats as well. Failing to acknowledge a Hulk far less powerful than he was in the Dark Dimension was also something that I took note of. He was easily able to toy with Wendigo, and Bi beast written to be 1000x more powerful than their base levels. When he was in the Dark Dimension he was more powerful than that, by a considerable amount.

I have yet to understand why you believe that prime would win, because I see no evidence to support the claim. HOTM Hulk had no low moments that I can recall. So where do people see a chink in his armor to support Prime's win here?

Oooh, I see what you meant. Sorry. Overall, I agree. But if I had to choose, I'll choose the guy who withstood a universal blast.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Oooh, I see what you meant. Sorry. Overall, I agree. But if I had to choose, I'll choose the guy who withstood a universal blast.

and that is because you were impressed by the durability feat, even though it put Prime out on his duff. This does not mean that the Hulk would not have survived such a blast at this level. Like I pointed out, he was capable of displacing real estate on a scale above planetary bodies, by simply colliding in air with a similar creature (his Wife). This wasn't even him at max. They never even gave a max in that story arc. This means that he simply had no poor showings to lend power to Prime claiming a majority here. People will claim that Prime moved so much faster, while I would say that in air, Prime simply was more maneuverable. I asked a question earlier. How fast would two objects of approximately 3,500 lbs combined have to be moving to displace planetary bodies plus, if we take the theory of speed equaling mass into consideration? I would love for the people that are great with math to chime in on this, and give a theory on it. these guys were moving. To add to it, due to their relative close proximity at launch, the tork that was generated by their legs alone to cause that kind of destruction, had to have been immense.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Oooh, I see what you meant. Sorry. Overall, I agree. But if I had to choose, I'll choose the guy who withstood a universal blast.

No Contest, Hulk is out of his league, Prime 10/10

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
No Contest, Hulk is out of his league, Prime 10/10

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
No Contest, Hulk is out of his league, Prime 10/10

Basically. 😉

Let me see.
1. CIS off = Prime fighting at many times the speed of light causing Hulk to be a statue.
2. GA amp
3. Universe destruction durability
4. Strength that rivals WBH's strength (solar system creating strength)

How is this not spite?
A slugfest would be a better thread.

Lol i just love how everybody believe thanos can beat WBH but at the same time believe WBH will beat Prime. if anything Prime is a much much worse fight for WBH than Thanos. his speed and strength is too much of a factor while thanos may have more energy manipulation once WBH will close the distance thanos is broken. prime on the other hand will dominate WBH both with distance and in uo close combat. prime has too much of insane fighting feats for WBH.

Originally posted by Stoic
and that is because you were impressed by the durability feat, even though it put Prime out on his duff. This does not mean that the Hulk would not have survived such a blast at this level. Like I pointed out, he was capable of displacing real estate on a scale above planetary bodies, by simply colliding in air with a similar creature (his Wife). This wasn't even him at max. They never even gave a max in that story arc. This means that he simply had no poor showings to lend power to Prime claiming a majority here. People will claim that Prime moved so much faster, while I would say that in air, Prime simply was more maneuverable. I asked a question earlier. How fast would two objects of approximately 3,500 lbs combined have to be moving to displace planetary bodies plus, if we take the theory of speed equaling mass into consideration? I would love for the people that are great with math to chime in on this, and give a theory on it. these guys were moving. To add to it, due to their relative close proximity at launch, the tork that was generated by their legs alone to cause that kind of destruction, had to have been immense.

How do you know The Worldbreaker wasn't at his limit at the end of HOTM?

Originally posted by Stoic
and that is because you were impressed by the durability feat, even though it put Prime out on his duff. This does not mean that the Hulk would not have survived such a blast at this level. Like I pointed out, he was capable of displacing real estate on a scale above planetary bodies, by simply colliding in air with a similar creature (his Wife). This wasn't even him at max. They never even gave a max in that story arc. This means that he simply had no poor showings to lend power to Prime claiming a majority here. People will claim that Prime moved so much faster, while I would say that in air, Prime simply was more maneuverable. I asked a question earlier. How fast would two objects of approximately 3,500 lbs combined have to be moving to displace planetary bodies plus, if we take the theory of speed equaling mass into consideration? I would love for the people that are great with math to chime in on this, and give a theory on it. these guys were moving. To add to it, due to their relative close proximity at launch, the tork that was generated by their legs alone to cause that kind of destruction, had to have been immense.

Originally posted by h1a8
IMO I think that was the limit of Hulk. He completely let go everything he had. No more fear of killing, no more holding back. Pak wanted to show what Hulk is capable of when he completely let go and that's what he did.

This makes sense.

Pak was determined to give us the definitive Hulk in terms of power.

Why would he leave anything in reserve at the culmination of his saga?

Hulk

Are we allowed to use cheese feats like retcon punches and breaking dimensional barriers in forum matches? They aren't quantifiable

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Are we allowed to use cheese feats like retcon punches and breaking dimensional barriers in forum matches? They aren't quantifiable

You can use them for the members of the House of El as they are definitive.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You can use them for the members of the House of El as they are definitive.

Meh the house of el will always kneel before Odin

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Meh the house of el will always kneel before Odin

If you're trying to seduce me that's the way to do it.

Originally posted by Damborgson
If you're trying to seduce me that's the way to do it.

Was jus about to pm u. Who do u think would be a good match comic wise for narutu?

Originally posted by h1a8
IMO I think that was the limit of Hulk. He completely let go everything he had. No more fear of killing, no more holding back. Pak wanted to show what Hulk is capable of when he completely let go and that's what he did.

That's all it is though, your opinion, but there was no max mentioned, he probably has one, but we didn't see it when he was in the Dark Dimension.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You can use them for the members of the House of El as they are definitive.

Thank you for proving my point for me.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
How do you know The Worldbreaker wasn't at his limit at the end of HOTM?

None was ever mentioned, and he had gotten even more powerful towards the end, than he was when the collision occurred. An example of his incredible durability was not being cut in two by a sword made in Asgard, and enchanted by Odin himself, he also showed how much more powerful his healing factor had become by healing up almost as soon as the sword cut him, and this was in the hands of a being that was on his level the entire battle due to the Wishing Well's enchantment. She probably could have cut a world in two with ease while at that strength level. Like I said, I don't see anything to prove that either of these guys would claim a majority here. I think they'd beat each other to death.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn

Pak was determined to give us the definitive Hulk in terms of power.

Why would he leave anything in reserve at the culmination of his saga?

Let's get one thing out of the way early:

If you're a Hulk supporter, and want him to win regardless of considerations, it's to your advantage to consider Hulk having something in reserve, as Pr. might say, to apply a "no limits fallacy".

But ... what if the facts suggest Hulk WAS holding back?

Refer to Hulk #635. And someone please post the scans that corroborate this if you get the chance.

Fearing Tyrannus taking over the globe with the aid of Fin Fang Foom and a gamma level event taking out a Southwestern state of the U.S., Doctor Strange and allies open a portal to Umar's mystically reforming Dark Dimension.

Umar is able to halt Hulk and Betty by merely speaking to them and giving them the target of Foom (the Dragon) himself, appearing on the other side of the portal.

Foom launches a barrage of missiles that strike Hulk and Betty.
But ... the missiles are gamma missiles. They not only prove harmless, they INCREASE the size, and presumably the strength of Hulk and Betty.
They grow to titanic proportions.

They then proceed to STOMP Fin Fang Foom, huge dragon though he is, because he is now, relative to them, the size of a dog or large housecat. Either Doctor Strange or one of Strange's allies then screams at the giant Hulks to stop, THAT THEY ARE NOT IN THE DARK DIMENSION ANYMORE, and will risk destroying the Earth if they persist much longer in battle.
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So ... what of this?

Recall now that at the end of Greg Pak's original World War Hulk run, a single STEP from ordinary-sized Hulk, caused tremors that registered on the Richter Scale.

Hulk's power is fueled by rage and gamma energy.

What conclusion do you draw if Hulk,
pulled from the midst of battle in the Dark Dimension,
still thinking he is IN the Dark Dimension
(where he can cut loose without fear of harming innocents),

GROWN 10 TIMES LARGER THAN HE NORMALLY IS (due to Fooms gamma missiles)
actively STOMPS something tractor sized (the Dragon Fin Fang Foom himself),
yet less damage is done to the area than when he merely took a step forward?