Sith Emperor vs Abeloth

That's where we get into the dilemma of feats vs. accolades.

Besides her whole 'sploding an entire city of Sith thing, Abeloth is not necessarily the character with the best feats. We have confirmed planet-busters like Palpatine, Nihilus, ritual!Vitiate, etc.

But the Anchorites of Mortis are excellent examples of this. According to narration and supplementary texts, they are powerful on a level beyond Jedi and Sith. Yet in terms of highly destructive feats, they don't actually demonstrate anything as remotely impressive as Palpatine's Force storm or whatever.

But they are clearly intended to be divine beings while he, at best, is an eldritch aberration. And Abeloth, if you believe the legends, cowed the Son and the Daughter together.

I think it's best to have a compromise, look at feats but also how they fit into the greater context and their accolades.

Nephthys
Your allusion to Jesus is pointless since his stories have been told over millennia so it's entirely possible to be heavily exaggerated. No-one has seen the World Razer for thousands of years and the records of his power are from the Rakata who fought with him as well as etched into the walls of his prison.

Except that the gospels about Jesus weren't written thousands of years after his existence. In many cases, their proximity to the figure were quite credible. Doesn't mean that what they wrote isn't total bull.

Likewise, the fact that what the Rakatan wrote is "on record" doesn't mean anything.

Nephthys
Furthermore Failsafe (who accurately saw the Esh-ka trying to free it despite being trapped in a computer and whose people looked him away for seeing the past and future) also says it eats planets and suns and will destroy the galaxy if released.

So we're back to purple prose and ambiguous context: Does it require a ritual, is it at whim?

You rejected Dooku's endorsement of Sidious as a black hole of the Force on similar grounds. I'm just holding your feet to the fire you started Neph, don't get pissy with me that it hurts.

Nephthys
The codex also supports this by confirming he ate a thousand worlds and saying that if he was released, he might very well shatter the galaxy.

Hearsay, purple prose, and ambiguous context.

Nephthys
Do you actually believe this crap you're saying or is this another of your ****ing lessons, because I spent all day painting in the sun and I'm seriously not in the mood.

This is very, incredibly important so I urge you to read carefully: I don't care that you're not in the mood. Not one iota. If you're "not in the mood," don't read or respond.

Fine, **** you too.

You know I love you.

Don't know what you just said since you're on Ignore now.

Wow, you were right, this is much more relaxing.

lol ouch

Originally posted by The_Tempest
That's where we get into the dilemma of feats vs. accolades.

Besides her whole 'sploding an entire city of Sith thing, Abeloth is not necessarily the character with the best feats. We have confirmed planet-busters like Palpatine, Nihilus, ritual!Vitiate, etc.

But the Anchorites of Mortis are excellent examples of this. According to narration and supplementary texts, they are powerful on a level beyond Jedi and Sith. Yet in terms of highly destructive feats, they don't actually demonstrate anything as remotely impressive as Palpatine's Force storm or whatever.

But they are clearly intended to be divine beings while he, at best, is an eldritch aberration. And Abeloth, if you believe the legends, cowed the Son and the Daughter together.

I think it's best to have a compromise, look at feats but also how they fit into the greater context and their accolades.

Yeah, I don't believe Palpatine stands a chance against her while in her direct presence because of the fact that she is up there in power with the likes of Anchorites on Mortis. That's why I said if Palpatine was not on the same planet.

For example, if Dooku and Mother Talzin were to fight face to face, I think Dooku would handle her, based on his accolades, his feats, and the fact that she didn't attempt to attack him while in his presence. But yet she was easily able to overpower him with powers he had no defense against while she was not in his direct presence.

An offworld Sidious killing an unsuspecting Abeloth? That's an interesting notion that could be further explored, I suppose.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Yeah, I don't believe Palpatine stands a chance against her while in her direct presence because of the fact that she is up there in power with the likes of Anchorites on Mortis. That's why I said if Palpatine was not on the same planet.

For example, if Dooku and Mother Talzin were to fight face to face, I think Dooku would handle her, based on his accolades, his feats, and the fact that she didn't attempt to attack him while in his presence. But yet she was easily able to overpower him with powers he had no defense against while she was not in his direct presence.

Do you think Dooku could deal with

?

Most likely. Girl did run from Grievous, after all.

Forgot I am being ignored, my bad.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Do you think Dooku could deal with

?

Yeah, unless that bubble can shield TK. And Dooku can block lightning with his hands or lightsaber.

There's also the fact that she planned on killing Dooku, yet she didn't seem too confident in doing so in person. And then there's also the fact that she ran from Grievous, like Tempest said.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
So Palpatine may be the only force user who can singlehandedly destroy Abeloth as long as he's not on the same planet?

Just say yes.

Well Palpatine isn't alone in being able to summon Force Storms. Freedon Nadd is another confirmed Force User who could do it.

Originally posted by noitseuq
Well Palpatine isn't alone in being able to summon Force Storms. Freedon Nadd is another confirmed Force User who could do it.

When has he used it? How did he use it? And to what extent.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Yeah, unless that bubble can shield TK. And Dooku can block lightning with his hands or lightsaber.

There's also the fact that she planned on killing Dooku, yet she didn't seem too confident in doing so in person. And then there's also the fact that she ran from Grievous, like Tempest said.

Well it blocked blasterfire so I wouldn't rule it out. Plus that lightning was chewing through droids.

I see your point however.

Details unknown but by its very nature it destroys the surfaces of planets (it's stated to do so in the same source that credits Nadd with the ability). He's confirmed to be able to use it in the TotJ Companion.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well it blocked blasterfire so I wouldn't rule it out. Plus that lightning was chewing through droids.

I see your point however.

Obi Wan has ragdolled droids that have shields which can block blasterfire with TK.

Originally posted by noitseuq
Details unknown but by its very nature it destroys the surfaces of planets (it's stated to do so in the same source that credits Nadd with the ability). He's confirmed to be able to use it in the TotJ Companion.

Has he destroyed surfaces of worlds with them? Does he have the same amount of control over them as Palpatine does? And for all I know, it could require him hours of meditation or an amulet.

Need details.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Obi Wan has ragdolled droids that have shields with can block blasterfire.

Those shields aren't made of the Force though.

If we afford Palatine the benefit of being offworld surely we can afford Nadd the benefit of preparation? The point is that he can use the power to the same devastating effect that Palpatine can be said to, and as such he poses the same potential threat to a being like Abeloth.

Abeloth - 12 times more powerful than a Skywalker
V.S
Vitiate - Got beaten by a lone Jedi

HMMMM...

Actually the real quote is that she's 12 times 'stronger' than him, which is why he couldn't win when wrestling with her. The context obviously indicates its referring to physical strength.