Originally posted by NewGuy01
Abeloth - 12 times more powerful than a Skywalker
V.S
Vitiate - Got beaten by a lone JediHMMMM...
Not long ago, Vitiate easily overwhelmed a whole Jedi Strike Team (including HoT) in single combat. This encounter took place in a neutral setting and Vitiate wasn't vulnerable during this time.
So?
Point is that Vitiate's greatest talent is his Sith Sorcery skills; Sith Sorcery is a pathway to accomplish the impossible.
Most importantly, Abeloth is not invincible either; her bodies are vulnerable.
Originally posted by ares834
Abeloth is the most powerful dark side master of the mythos.
Abeloth predates Vitiate, right? Well, a canon book asserts that Vitiate is the most powerful dark side master in history.
Originally posted by ares834
She once destroyed an entire city of Sith with a single scream. Do not underestimate her raw power.
Abeloth predates Vitiate, right? Well, a canon book asserts that Vitiate is the most powerful dark side master in history.
Originally posted by pencilcrayon
"The cartilage began to give. He pushed back with the Force, reinforcing his
larynx and trying to throw her off.
It was no good. Abeloth had a dozen times the Force strength Luke had..."That's 12 times stronger in the Force than a Skywalker
Or a dozen times better at Force strength.
Originally posted by The Merchant
Freedon Nadd knows the Force Storm? Anyways Abeloth was contained by the Maw which is dozens of blackholes. This says a lot about Abeloth's durability. Also according to the Father if the Son and Daughter fought they would have destroyed the entire Universe.
Wasn't there a planet in the Maw too? Was it affected at all by the blackholes?
Originally posted by Zampanó
Gid, don't be a poop.
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
Originally posted by Zampanó
The context of a galaxy-level threat being established by archaeological evidence
By archaeological evidence, you mean the vague and unsubstantiated claims from an ancient civilizations that have yet to be corroborated?
Originally posted by Zampanó
(and the Codex, which is maybe OOU?)
The Codex, as established, merely relays the legend. Nowhere does it establish the legend as truth.
Originally posted by Zampanó
is much different from the black-hole passage, which calls Kenobi a "sunny meadow" in the next paragraph.
The only difference is the present of the enduring double standard. Some people are only willing to consider such flowery language from questionable sources as literal reflections of reality when and only when it favors a beloved character from a select era.
Meanwhile, Dooku assesses three characters "through the eyes of the dark side" and his musings are tossed aside with yesterday's trash?
I don't think so. If we discount one such example, we should discount them all. Anything else is inherently dishonest.
Originally posted by DudleyMoo23
Don't be ridiculous. Abeloth and the Ones aren't part of Jedi/Sith/Light Side/Dark Side comparisons in books because they're considered Gods/Celestials and are therefore superior.
Jedi and Sith are just philosophies; Force-users can choose to abandon or follow these philosophies.
Vitiate was also godlike avatar of the dark side.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
By archaeological evidence, you mean the vague and unsubstantiated claims from an ancient civilizations that have yet to be corroborated?The Codex, as established, merely relays the legend. Nowhere does it establish the legend as truth.
The level of confirmation that you seem to ask for is simply not available in fiction media outside of RPG systems that offer a method of inter-era comparison. "Existential threat from a bygone age" is a common trope in fiction; invoking that trope is enough, for me, to give a ballpark estimate of the severity of the threat. No editor is going to allow page-space for a thorough Archaeological inquiry (Tim Zahn notwithstanding).
Another example: In Fable, Jack of Blades is established as an eldritch abomination from beyond the edge of the world. If his plan goes through, the implication is extinction. So he is a potential world-ender, despite the lack of specifics about his origins and the extent of his abilities.
The only difference is the present of the enduring double standard. Some people are only willing to consider such flowery language from questionable sources as literal reflections of reality when and only when it favors a beloved character from a select era.Meanwhile, Dooku assesses three characters "through the eyes of the dark side" and his musings are tossed aside with yesterday's trash?
I don't think so. If we discount one such example, we should discount them all. Anything else is inherently dishonest.
Meanwhile, the quotes against which you have fought so consistently (e.g. N.'s Ravager accolade, or this destroyer business) are almost always extreme accounts of physical actions. So while Sidious is described as a black hole of the Force, N. is described as accomplishing some magnificent application of Joules. That is less easily discarded as hyperbole, because it is a specific thing that actually happened.
(And tossing out 2/3 of the available information about non-movie eras just because we don't let you use 1/1000th of Sidious's accolades is mad churlish, broseph.)
Edit: [bait]
Spoiler:[/bait]
Palpatine's unrivaled dominance w/r/t political power is ambiguous in its application to combat in the same way that N.'s telekinetic power isn't.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol @ Tempest. I guess we should be accepting Revan as the Heart of the Force next. 🙄I mean, considering Kreia is actually blind and can only see through Force Sight, its of an less obvious metaphor than Dooku's inane imaginings.
Anyway, it is poor form to snipe from the sidelines when one of your targets is on ignore. What if you miss him and shoot me instead? You know I always play safe and I am not taking the risk of you shooting all over the place.
(This is a condom joke. The joke is condoms.)
I'm sorry if I'm messing up some big plan but I don't care what he accepts or not.
His argument is too weak for me to miss. These aren't about 'vague and unsubstantiated claims', these are 'Rakata inscriptions' in the actual tomb. Does he think the Rakata decided to write fan fiction about it on the walls of its prison as they were building it?
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm sorry if I'm messing up some big plan but I don't care what he accepts or not.His argument is too weak for me to miss. These aren't about 'vague and unsubstantiated claims', these are 'Rakata inscriptions' in the actual tomb. Does he think the Rakata decided to write fan fiction about it on the walls of its prison?
As painful as it is for me (and it is really painful, like taking a huge dump painful), I have to agree with DE here. Because they are Rakata inscriptions, they represent actual history of their civilization. Unless it says something like "legends say" or "it is said", I think it should be taken as fact because as DE says, the rakata aren't known for writing homosexual erotic fiction.