Majestic VS Thor( Slugfest)

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This isn't even about Thor. I don't care if he wins the second fight or not.

This is a fundamental flaw that I find in the way people think based on the evidence that I've seen.

Why are people assuming Thor will be a standing still statue while Majestic hits him with full on haymakers instead of super speed punches that are treated as far less damaging and akin jabs? What comics exist that actually support the idea that this is how it works?

I can see the logic behind it, that's probably how things would work in real life. But that's now how comics work.

That's not the flaw that's YOUR flaw. Split that mindset and reverse it, now Majestros has super speed and has To painfully wait for Thor punches easy to dodge easy to avoid and Thor can dodge some punches.........not near as many. It's a hugely flawed logic on your part thinking its one sided.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This isn't even about Thor. I don't care if he wins the second fight or not.

This is a fundamental flaw that I find in the way people think based on the evidence that I've seen.

Why are people assuming Thor will be a standing still statue while Majestic hits him with full on haymakers instead of super speed punches that are treated as far less damaging and akin jabs? What comics exist that actually support the idea that this is how it works?

I can see the logic behind it, that's probably how things would work in real life. But that's now how comics work.

Hahaha.

Would you mind describing super speed for me? Do you think its a super power?

So hold up! If Majestic is using Superspeed to punch quick, his punches hurt less then say if he was....not using Superspeed? WTF!

Originally posted by snowdragon
That's not the flaw that's YOUR flaw. Split that mindset and reverse it, now Majestros has super speed and has To painfully wait for Thor punches easy to dodge easy to avoid and Thor can dodge some punches.........not near as many. It's a hugely flawed logic on your part thinking its one sided.

Wait, Majestros can dodge hits? Then that alone would give him a advantage.

Who said it's one sided? What are you even talking about?

Originally posted by Spire
Hahaha.

Would you mind describing super speed for me? Do you think its a super power?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
So hold up! If Majestic is using Superspeed to punch quick, his punches hurt less then say if he was....not using Superspeed? WTF!

I don't understand what's hard to comprehend.

Majestros uses super speed and punches Thor 20 times in quick succession or whatever. That's great, but my comic book experiences points to this being annoying but not hugely damaging. And not as effective as one haymaker.

Don't complain to me, I'm just basing this on what I've read and I'm willing to post scans.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't understand what's hard to comprehend.

Majestros uses super speed and punches Thor 10 times in quick succession. That's great, but my comic book experiences points to this being annoying but not hugely damaging. And not as effective as one haymaker from him.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
So hold up! If Majestic is using Superspeed to punch quick, his punches hurt less then say if he was....not using Superspeed? WTF!

One actual strike is always really fast. When u start chaining them together, comics always seem to treat them as if they were jabs like from a real life boxer.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't understand what's hard to comprehend.

Me neither, but I'll give it another go.

Will you please describe super speed? Do you think it is a super power?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I don't think ure understanding him.

One actual strike is always really fast. When u start chaining them together, comics always seem to treat them as if they were jabs from a real life boxer.

Anyways, I can see where this debate is going. Apparently, any sort of superblitz is going to be useless because...he is using Superspeed.... 😂

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Do you have enough that explains this? I can't comprehend how power is lost just because I decide to hits you using Superspeed. It's one thing to say that it's weaker then a full-on hit/charged hit, or hit supported by body weight (or other factors), but what you are claiming is something entirely different

I don't believe it's ever been explained. I'm just telling you how comics work in my experience.

Superman punched Orion not too long ago like a 100 times and he smiled. Flash punches Captain Cold 200 times in the face and he was still conscious IIRC. I personally don't know how to it, I'm just basing it on what I've seen.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't believe it's ever been explained. I'm just telling you how comics work in my experience.

Superman punched Orion not too long ago like a 100 times and he smiled. Flash punches Captain Cold 200 times in the face and he was still conscious IIRC. I personally don't know how to even explain shit like that.

I understand what you mean, but that argument works in a completely different ways. That same argument can be made for nearly every attack that isn't stated to be as much power.

Majestic has the skill edge, even if speed is equalized for reaction time. And yes, he actually does have the skill edge, Thor fans. I'm one of you...but Maj is a Kheran warlord. He trumps.

As most have been saying, Thor in OP's 1 and 3. Majestic in 2.

Originally posted by Spire
Me neither, but I'll give it another go.

Will you please describe super speed? Do you think it is a super power?

Yes.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I understand him perfectly, but i think he is comparing hits support by weight or other momentum/factors.

Anyways, I can see where this debate is going. Apparently, any sort of superblitz is going to be useless because...he is using Superspeed.... 😂

I guess throwing their weight behind it might make the difference.

That's not what I said, strawman is a strawman. But if you find my stance laughable, how about you post a scan of someone taking out a peer with a super speed punching barrage. It's not even for this discussion. I'm literally just curious if this happens in comics. It's late and I'm having trouble of coming up with an example. Flash would be your best bet I guess, but he's not really a strongman though.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thor
Maj
Thor

1&2 are really close... No need for 3...

In scenario 3 Thor loses his strategic edge as Warrior Madness impairs his reasoning. Also, Majestic has his speed advantage in option 3.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wank sauce? What?

I'd really like to see a scan of a barrage of blows putting down a peer in strength down. Because I see this kind of logic used very often and yet most of the time, from what I've seen, speed blitzes are treated like light jabs in comparison to a real punch.

I simply don't think that on average, a barrage is going to do anything more to Thor that one haymaker could not. It's just now how comics work in my experience. I'm assuming there are exceptions (At least I hope there are) but often I see it being treated like the rule.

As a rule, "speed blitz/combo" style attacks tend to be less effective and damaging than a single blow in the world of comics.

Orion has shown to be a lot more durable in the new 52. In their last fight with First Born, Orion didn't need medical treatment, while WW was out 3 friggen days. This and his fight with Superman cements this. 👆

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Wouldn't that be considered pulling your punches? Unless you think Superman meant to kill Orion; same for flash story?

I understand what you mean, but that argument works in a completely different ways. That same argument can be made for nearly every attack that isn't stated to be as much power.

I don't think Superman intended to kill Orion at any point. But compare the haymaker he threw and then the barrage he unleashed in effectiveness.

What? That part has me confused.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes.

I guess throwing their weight behind it might make the difference.

That's not what I said, strawman is a strawman. But if you find my stance laughable, how about you post a scan of someone taking out a peer with a super speed punching barrage. It's not even for this discussion. I'm literally just curious if this happens in comics. It's late and I'm having trouble of coming up with an example. Flash would be your best bet I guess, but he's not really a strongman though.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
As a rule, "speed blitz/combo" style attacks tend to be less effective and damaging than a single blow in the world of comics.

That's what I'm saying.

But people acting like I'm arguing Thor will speed blitz Majestic or something.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Orion has shown to be a lot more durable in the new 52. In their last fight with First Born, Orion didn't need medical treatment, while WW was out 3 friggen days. This and his fight with Superman cements this. 👆