Lucifer in Sam's body (Supernatural) vs. Ganondorf (TP)

Pretty sure he did as the perfect vessels for them had to be descendants of Cain and Abel, which the Winchester are. Which was why they were both told that predetermined to be the chose vessels before humanity formed.

Maybe the other special children were backups? Like how Michael could occupy John and Adam near-perfectly even if they weren't his true host.

Originally posted by ares834
That's because, in that future, Lucifer never had to battle Michael as Dean never gave in.

The show makes it undoubtedly clear, if the two were going to go at it the world would be destroyed. That's the reason Sam and Dean try to stop them from fighting. Its also why the Pagan Gods attempted to team up and prevent the battle. Plus, all the angels say it will destroy the planet. The fact is this "claim" is the whole point of the season.

I think I get it? The battle between Michael and Lucifer is supposed to cause Armageddon, just as collateral damage from the fight? Okay, yes, I can accept that the world would be destroyed. Really, my only concern is abut how complete that destruction is.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ApocalypseHow

Here are about 13 different classes of Apocalypse. I believe this is somewhere between Class 3 "Human extinction" and Class X "Earth is not there anymore." Maybe it would help if someone gave me the Class of this particular apocalypse.

Also, question. Sam is Lucifer's true vessel and that means Lucifer can use all of his powers when he normally couldn't? Or he gets stronger?

Angel Kryptonite, yeah. With Dorf's strength and that blade I'm not saying that Lucy won't take damage (he's in a human vessel, think Dante's type of durability), its keeping him from regenerating or just poofing away and back fully healed. Like how the Demon Knife can kill both the host and the monster inside (monster; works on things other than demons), the same knife at 1:13 does no harm to him.

See if we were talking about the MS, there'd be a better case to be made on the Sword front.

Indeed. Seems Lucifer is great on the magic resistance but relies on regen for physical damage. He's at least similar on the not dying from fatal wounds front. So the verdict here is Ganondorf can harm him, but lasting damage is difficult.

The unfortunate thing about the Sage's Sword is that we only have Ganondorf to compare it to, and it left an unhealable open wound on him despite him being able to recover from everything else, and he retains it while shifting forms or building a new body. Not sure on the explanation behind that one.

(Screw the rules!)I'd image that Heaven charged attacks would have that aspect by default.

It only failed on a demon because that Demons powers we're above that Angels. (one of the 3 most powerful demons in the verse at that time) It does them greater than Holy Water does, as its move divine.

He was in Twili particles at the time so.. not sure, potential for regeneration or would it be for that form only?

Alright then, if it deals more damage to demons it can likely hurt Ganondorf. I still don't like the 'more powerful means immune' thing, though, since it's going to be hard to determine Ganondorf's power in another verse's terms. He's stuck with his base resistance here.

Well, that fight went: Willing particle form --> possess host --> unwilling removal from host --> reform body from particles --> transform into beast --> die --> spirit form --> reform body again --> Master Sword through the chest --> die? The first reformation was after he willingly took a particle form, but was forced to abandon Zelda's body unwillingly. The second one is a clear revival, granted he didn't explode but Beast Ganon's corpse did burst into flames.

I believe that strong Angels can trap a spirit inside the body. Plus just by being around them, Lucifer was able to stop 2 top tier Pagen gods from escaping.. just incase he to form change or teleport/portal away stick out tongue

I think we might be getting whole body annihilation from this.

If Lucifer starts with something that high tier he could win pretty quickly. It's just hard to tell with Ganondorf sometimes, never know when he'll just make a new body. Though that would likely affect his spirit form too.

..oh right, Zant. Okay yeah, he has some Reality powers.

Enough to put him in 'powerful enough to not be affected' tier?

😛

Will reply to the rest later.

I'd give it a 4 to 6 without getting greedy. Could make claims of mote destruction as it could be possible here, but I'm a man of evidence.
And I'm pretty sure that the only difference between a vessel and a true vessel is survivability. The replacement Lucy takes needed to constantly consume demon blood to keep his body strong enough to contain his power, even then it was deteriorating. Suitable ones have been shown to last much longer, unknown if they would eventually break down. True vessels are permanent as seen with Gabe who kept his for milenia with no demon blood or any negative effects.

Originally posted by The Scenario
I think I get it? The battle between Michael and Lucifer is supposed to cause Armageddon, just as collateral damage from the fight? Okay, yes, I can accept that the world would be destroyed. Really, my only concern is abut how complete that destruction is.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ApocalypseHow

Here are about 13 different classes of Apocalypse. I believe this is somewhere between Class 3 "Human extinction" and Class X "Earth is not there anymore." Maybe it would help if someone gave me the Class of this particular apocalypse.

Not really sure why it would matter. Either way is well beyond anything Ganon has shown.

Originally posted by ares834
Not really sure why it would matter. Either way is well beyond anything Ganon has shown.

Eh, not necessarily. Ganondorf can "destroy the world" but how he would do so is useless in combat. Endless night plus eternal storms tend to do that.

I don't trust end of the world claims simply because "post-apocalyptic" is a setting that exists. Something 'destroyed the world' but there are still people that live on and occasionally manage to rebuild. Wind Waker is one such post-apocalypse setting. Ganondorf got loose, the hero didn't show up, and the gods stepped in to stop him. They sank the continents beneath the ocean and destroyed everything but Hyrule, which was sealed underwater in a time lock. Then Ganondorf comes back anyway.

I guess what I'm saying here is that the apocalypse failed to stop Ganondorf. Thus the severity of said apocalypse matters to me.

Will reply to the rest later.

No need, BloodRain. I do think Lucifer wins, it's just 'end of the world' stuff bugs me.

Just remembered this.. And okay then. Still curious to the TFs effect and protection, if it could harm Lucy.

Originally posted by The Scenario

I do think Lucifer wins.

Creating a thread that a character you dislike loses and not even arguing in it is not a victory, Quan, it's petty.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Creating a thread that a character you dislike loses and not even arguing in it is not a victory, Quan, it's petty.

No, no, I think I'm going to keep pointing out just how butthurt Zelda has you. It amuses me. You make what, one new Zelda thread every week, and you don't even debate in them, you just repeat debunked arguments and insult people, characters, and games.

You even follow me into threads that involve no characters you know anything about. haermm

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, no, I think I'm going to keep pointing out just how butthurt Zelda has you. It amuses me. You make what, one new Zelda thread every week, and you don't even debate in them, you just repeat debunked arguments and insult people, characters, and games.

You even follow me into threads that involve no characters you know anything about. haermm

Yes, the haermm smiley is a sure sign I'm just fuming! Get over it, Quan. What has you soooo upset with Zelda characters that you feel legitimate glee when someone says 'hey, yeah, someone who can waste an entire planet can beat one'?

The only one upset here is you, and you've been upset forever. Get over it, seek therapy.

If this is anyone's 'victory' its Lucy's or mine.. Quan you were just the audience here, don't ride ze coattails.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are upset scenario has agreed. Victory ver your leader. Reveling in it, lightning timer.

Quanchi, you can't just declare me leader of an unofficial organization like that. There are a lot of unofficial channels we'd have to go through, and it would probably have to go to an unofficial vote.

Right now, I'm like...the scribe? Unofficially, I mean.

Scenario, you are the unofficial bearer of three separate titles within our unofficial, loosely affiliated organization.

Emissary, Head of the Scriptorium, Keeper of Knowledge.

As our (unofficial) founder and spokesman, I unofficially move to extend (unofficial) membership to NATE and BR. They could take up the positions of disciples under FinalAnswer, the (unofficial) prophet of Linkism.

Pretty sure Lucifer wins.

Never watched the show but he sounds impressive based on what I've read elsewhere.

Dude solo's a hotel of pagan gods from Odin to Baldur. But it's his implied abilities (from his station as an archangel) that really cement his reputation as a badass.

Lucifer wtfstomps.

LOL@the hate though