Link vs Thor (stips inside)

Originally posted by Impediment
I disagree.

Link is a hero chosen by fate/time/the goddesses/etc to be THE HERO above all.

He wields a piece of the essence of the goddess of courage.

Why wouldn't he be worthy?

What makes Spider-Man 2099, Wonder Woman, Conan, and Captain America different from Link?

Different and stronger pantheon, Odin not wanting him to lift it, being a good guy, or a great hero isn't enough, if that was the case then nearly any good hearted and selfless hero would be able to lift wield the hammer. Thor could also not want him to lift the hammer. Holding one magical item and being worthy of it doesn't make you automatically eligible to wield another. That being said, there's nothing saying that he can or can't, it's like I said, it's up to the writer. There is no wrong opinion to this thread.

Originally posted by Impediment
No, he isn't. He's an alien who physiology is augmented by Earth's yellow sun.

😬

By the same logic Link is just a little boy who runs around in a green skirt swinging a magic sword.

Originally posted by Impediment
So what makes the wielder "worthy", then? If the Hero of Time isn't worthy, then who is?

What makes the characters I mentioned earlier worthy since they lifted Mjolnir?

I don't know what it takes to lift the hammer. Certainly being heroic and selfless isn't enough.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
That being said, there's nothing saying that he can or can't, it's like I said, it's up to the writer. There is no wrong opinion to this thread.

That makes sense.

I'm tired of trying to prove who is worth and who isn't. A hero is a hero is a hero, and people will debate their worthiness excessively.

My vote for Link is still "yes".

Originally posted by ares834
I don't know what it takes to lift the hammer. Certainly being heroic and selfless isn't enough.

awermm

Originally posted by Impediment
No, he isn't. He's an alien who physiology is augmented by Earth's yellow sun.

So what makes the wielder "worthy", then? If the Hero of Time isn't worthy, then who is?

What makes the characters I mentioned earlier worthy since they lifted Mjolnir?

Yes he is, regardless of Superman's origins, he's still seen as the perfect hero, the idol, the one who can inspire billions. The one who would die for one, who would die for a dog. He's the embodiment of many selfless values and at the end of the day more of a "Hero" than Link and most of the people that have tried or succeeded in lifting it, hell he's more of a "hero" than Thor. He doesn't kill, always tries to see the good in others, forgiving and all of that textbook perfect hero crap.

Originally posted by Impediment
awermm

What? I'm not arguing that Link can't lift the hammer after all. Just saying that Link being the Hero of Time and chosen by the gods doesn't automatically make him worthy.

Superman will kill.

Originally posted by ares834
What? I'm not arguing that Link can't lift the hammer after all. Just saying that Link being the Hero of Time and chosen by the gods doesn't automatically make him worthy.

I wasn't being condescending. Just my favorite smiley.

I guess your reasoning can hold water, though.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Canon Marvel/DC crossover?

Again, though, do you know the criteria? Since Superman also has Thor beat in those areas, it seems goodness isn't necessarily worthiness?

Goodness isn't since he couldn't budge it and he outclasses Link in every conceivable way.

Originally posted by Sacred 117
What makes Link less pure and noble than Superman?

I think the difference between Superman and Link would be a narrative one. Link is an Arthurian ideal, and is routinely tested for the approval of higher powers. His story has always been something of a young boy growing into the role of a hero as it is thrust upon him. He's the Legendary Hero, and his setting and narrative are much more receptive to needing worthiness to wield a weapon.

I notice Wonder Woman and Conan were listed among those able to lift it. You think their stories and connections have something to with it? Mythic Heroes seem to have an edge here. Superman might just be too Sci-Fi to wield a fantasy weapon.

What I'm saying here is from a writing perspective Link being able to wield Mjolnir is all kinds of appropriate. Really it just makes more sense story wise for a Hero chosen by the gods to wield a godly weapon than for an alien to do the same.

Right?

Originally posted by The Scenario
I think the difference between Superman and Link would be a narrative one. Link is an Arthurian ideal, and is routinely tested for the approval of higher powers. His story has always been something of a young boy growing into the role of a hero as it is thrust upon him. He's the Legendary Hero, and his setting and narrative are much more receptive to needing worthiness to wield a weapon.

I notice Wonder Woman and Conan were listed among those able to lift it. You think their stories and connections have something to with it? Mythic Heroes seem to have an edge here. Superman might just be too Sci-Fi to wield a fantasy weapon.

What I'm saying here is from a writing perspective Link being able to wield Mjolnir is all kinds of appropriate. Really it just makes more sense story wise for a Hero chosen by the gods to wield a godly weapon than for an alien to do the same.

Right?

Beta Ray Bill says hi.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Beta Ray Bill says hi.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Beta Ray Bill says hi.

I doubt he's a better person than Superman so clearly something else going on there. He's genetically Thor, right? Could see him sliding technicalities.

Originally posted by The Scenario
I think the difference between Superman and Link would be a narrative one. Link is an Arthurian ideal, and is routinely tested for the approval of higher powers. His story has always been something of a young boy growing into the role of a hero as it is thrust upon him. He's the Legendary Hero, and his setting and narrative are much more receptive to needing worthiness to wield a weapon.

I notice Wonder Woman and Conan were listed among those able to lift it. You think their stories and connections have something to with it? Mythic Heroes seem to have an edge here. Superman might just be too Sci-Fi to wield a fantasy weapon.

What I'm saying here is from a writing perspective Link being able to wield Mjolnir is all kinds of appropriate. Really it just makes more sense story wise for a Hero chosen by the gods to wield a godly weapon than for an alien to do the same.

Right?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nicely done. He just really wants Zelda characters to win. That's my biggest problem they are usually ignorant and try to argue anyways.

I'm legitimately curious about the criteria being used to judge worthiness here. Do you have anything that prevents Link from being worthy? If goodness was needed, Superman wouldn't have a problem, so it must be something else, yes?

Why not try to find patterns in who could lift it?

Originally posted by The Scenario
I doubt he's a better person than Superman so clearly something else going on there. He's genetically Thor, right? Could see him sliding technicalities.

Beta Ray Bill is an alien who proved worthy of wielding Mjolnir and Odin made him his own matching hammer. He kind of looks like a horse.

The ability to wield Mjolnir is weird, what 'worthy' actually means is an unknown. It's tied in some way to goodness and self sacrifice, but it's not just those, and even when Thor's being kind of le dick the hammer doesn't change it's mind. He's even wielded it while mind controlled.

Sometimes it seems tied to Viking Manliness, but we also have a paramedic who was able to lift Mjolnir on panel once, so it could just be the inability to not help others, or something.

Originally posted by The Scenario
I doubt he's a better person than Superman so clearly something else going on there. He's genetically Thor, right? Could see him sliding technicalities.

He's a korbonite. He's not related to Thor or had anything to do with Thor prior to meeting him and fighting him.

he Burning Galaxy was destroyed through the machinations of Surtur and his Fire Demons. The surviving Korbinites decided to choose a champion whom they would follow to their new home. That champion, known as Beta Ray Bill, was successful and was transformed into a cybernetic being resembling a fierce creature. The Korbinites then massed their fleet, put themselves into stasis, and followed Bill's ship, Skuttlebutt. Bill fought legions of demons sent by Surtur.

Bill is more sci-fi than Superman.

Originally posted by The Scenario
I'm legitimately curious about the criteria being used to judge worthiness here. Do you have anything that prevents Link from being worthy? If goodness was needed, Superman wouldn't have a problem, so it must be something else, yes?

Why not try to find patterns in who could lift it?

You have no idea about Bill. That's amusing as you try to reach the same conclusion without knowing the details.

So I'm wrong there. Okay, just means we can cross that off the list.

Does Bill have something Superman lacks, then? Wonder Woman, too, if she can. Was a reason ever given for Superman's unworthiness?

(Is Mjolnir sentient?)