Link vs Thor (stips inside)

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ScreamPaste Carpe Noctem

(Is Mjolnir sentient?)
Thor talks to it sometimes, and he's referenced it as having thoughts, but it could just be weird viking attachment to his weapon since I've never known it to communicate to anyone but Thor if it is indeed communicating at all, and it's ability to sense worthiness is usually referred to as a function of enchantment rather than an excalibur style ability to make a choice. It doesn't seem to have compunctions about being turned on Thor, anyway.

Still, Thor says it thinks things occasionally. "My mjolnir finds that funny, how about yours?"
"Can't you hear it laughing?"
^An exchange between two Thors who met because time travel.

Wei Phoenix One-Eyed Dragon Of Oshu

Bill picked it up out of curiosity is what's stated. He wasn't fighting in defense of some defenseless innocents directly although his ship deemed Thor as a threat but what I'm getting at is that there wasn't some huge inner monologue about how he's the only one that can stand against this and do what needs to be done, self-righteousness, justice and whatnot. I don't know if there's a significant difference between any of the characters that can and can not lift the hammer. Bill and Diana do share that warrior's spirit though.

The Scenario Greater Sci-Fi combatant

Warrior's Spirit is a tempting point to jump on, but for right now I'm more curious about Superman. Mostly because I want to know why him being unworthy didn't immediately make him question himself and set off on some path a self-discovery ending with him finally picking up the hammer. Crowds cheer and warm fuzzies all around.

But then, I'm no writer. Gonna look this up if I can.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by The Scenario
So I'm wrong there. Okay, just means we can cross that off the list.

Does Bill have something Superman lacks, then? Wonder Woman, too, if she can. Was a reason ever given for Superman's unworthiness?

(Is Mjolnir sentient?)

It isn't that easy. But there is no reason why Link can due to those who have failed.

No reason. Just not worthy.

NotAllThatEvil perpetual new guy.

Can you define the requirements of the hammer?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Can you define the requirements of the hammer?
Link can't lift it since Superman can't.

Zack Fair Fanboy

The enchantment is all there is to it. Nothing concrete has ever been stated as far as I know.

I think given the circumstances of the thread Link would probably be able to lift the hammer if only for this time of need. Similar to how Superman was able to wield it during the JL/Avengers crossover.

But alas an argument can be made both ways IMHO.

NotAllThatEvil perpetual new guy.

Yet wonder woman and horse face can. Are they more heroic than supes?

Zack Fair Fanboy

Not a chance.

I think the best argument for Link is Captain America being able to lift it and not Superman.

Does anyone have the scans of Cap wielding mjolnir? I've read about it forever now but have never encountered the scans. =\ An issue number would do if I can find the issue online.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Yet wonder woman and horse face can. Are they more heroic than supes?
Simply being more heroic isnt enough. Superman beats Link at everything though.

NotAllThatEvil perpetual new guy.

Such as?

Zack Fair Fanboy

Power, heroic, goodness, inspiration. You name it.

Link might be a better "warrior" though, but even that is iffy.

Trust me...you don't want to debate against Supes.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Such as?
Everything. Links are pretty much all different. Link can't even approach WW for pity's sake.

NotAllThatEvil perpetual new guy.

Power is a given, but that doesn't seem like a worthiness issue. What does supes have over link that will stop him from using it?

Wei Phoenix One-Eyed Dragon Of Oshu

This is slowly about to turn into a Superman vs Link thread in some way.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Power is a given, but that doesn't seem like a worthiness issue. What does supes have over link that will stop him from using it?
He edges him out in every characteristic possible. That's why. Power level is just the tip of the iceberg.

NotAllThatEvil perpetual new guy.

How so? Besides being able to bench more, what makes clark a better candidate?

ScreamPaste Carpe Noctem

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
This is slowly about to turn into a Superman vs Link thread in some way.

Nah, any thread with a Zelda character in it eventually ceases to be about any of the characters in it and more about trying to make Quan say something that makes sense or is reasonable.

It's not really possible to say for certain whether Link can lift Mjolnir or not. He's certainly got the spirit of a warrior and a hero, and he's good and awesome and self sacrificing, but those aren't 'stated' requirements so we can't know 100%, so everyone is free to really come to their own conclusion on this one imho.

Which means Quan is going to bash Link for attention, I guess.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
How so? Besides being able to bench more, what makes clark a better candidate?
More noble, greater history, more heroic, more skilled, greater impact, etc.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Nah, any thread with a Zelda character in it eventually ceases to be about any of the characters in it and more about trying to make Quan say something that makes sense or is reasonable.

It's not really possible to say for certain whether Link can lift Mjolnir or not. He's certainly got the spirit of a warrior and a hero, and he's good and awesome and self sacrificing, but those aren't 'stated' requirements so we can't know 100%, so everyone is free to really come to their own conclusion on this one imho.

Which means Quan is going to bash Link for attention, I guess.

Yawn.