Hero of Tython vs Mace Windu

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
This is how I feel as well. Aside from Luke Yoda is the most powerful Jedi, and Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord.

In TFU we see Starkiller doing things that make Yoda and Sidious' duel in the Grand Convocation Chamber look like nothing. And yet Sidious is clearly above Starkiller by a good margin.

Thus powerscaling, and logic dictates that both Sidious and Yoda, and all the PT top tier for that matter should be capable of at least Starkiller-level feats.

In which case feats from the animated Clone Wars seem reasonable.

Originally posted by Vensai
True, but that doesn't explain why Windu didn't just solo the army on Geonosis.

I'd say that's because the movies take a minimalistic/"manageable" approach to Jedi power than does the EU. Though Nai often mentioned that George allegedly said that the microseries' depiction of the Force is more accurate.

Either way, we know from The Phantom Menace Movie Scrapbook that the Rule of Two Sith actually gained power with each generation. If that's not enough confirmation, we know that Karpyshyn posits that Bane and Revan aren't necessarily stronger than Vader, despite the fact that Vader's feats only rival those of Bane's in "exaggerated" material like TFU.

It's simply stylistic difference.

Do you have a quote from the scrapbook?

This guy (The_Tempest) doesn't responds to me but I would like to clarify some errors in his posts.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'd say that's because the movies take a minimalistic/"manageable" approach to Jedi power than does the EU.

Therefore, The Clone Wars (mini) series depicts characters in exaggerated form. If TOR era characters are featured in such a medium, they might be even more impressive. Most viable solution is to avoid this medium for comparative purposes.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Though Nai often mentioned that George allegedly said that the microseries' depiction of the Force is more accurate.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Either way, we know from The Phantom Menace Movie Scrapbook that the Rule of Two Sith actually gained power with each generation.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
If that's not enough confirmation, we know that Karpyshyn posits that Bane and Revan aren't necessarily stronger than Vader, despite the fact that Vader's feats only rival those of Bane's in "exaggerated" material like TFU.

However, he does ranks characters in actual canonical information and Revan is superior to both Bane and Vader as per his ranking.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
It's simply stylistic difference.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Do you have a quote from the scrapbook?

Yup, I'll upload the scan sometime today.

Thanks.

Does it mean that, technically, Bane would be the weakest Banite Sith?

Zannah's weaker then him so doubtful.

They were in the same era/generation though. Tempest said that the book notes that power grew with each ''generation''.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Thanks.

Does it mean that, technically, Bane would be the weakest Banite Sith?

Quite possibly, which isn't that much of a stretch given that the entire point of the Rule of Two was that the apprentice would eventually surpass the teacher, not merely replace them.

That Zannah and Sidious weren't likely the equal of their Masters at the time of their ascension doesn't preclude the fact that they surpassed them legitimately later on. Likewise with Plagueis and Tenebrous.

Agreed. Good points.

Also, Zannah is about an equal with Bane in my opinion.

Really, he came off as a clear superior to me. Better with a lightsaber, superior TK feats, extremely powerful lightning. All she has on him is sorcery which he can resist (barring those tentacles). Bane came off as a combat monster who Zannah was barely holding her own against until she pulled out the tentacles. Even when he was without a lightsaber she was unable to kill him.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
They were in the same era/generation though. Tempest said that the book notes that power grew with each ''generation''.

In this case I'd think the term is referring to steps in the line of Sith succession.

True on the Bane-Zannah thing. I'd momentarily forgotten about their fight in the Stone Prison.

Still, she defended herself very well in their final duel.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Also, Zannah is about an equal with Bane in my opinion.

Well she certainly wasn't outclassed. I'd say she fought at parity, more or less. Perhaps not due to conventional skills, but definitely in others.

Cognus also saw them as near equals, so yeah.

Indeed?

I can't find for Cognus, but here's Bane saying it:

"I am ready to begin my training," Cognus replied, still down on one knee before him.

"Not yet," he said, walking past her and heading to the shuttles on the far side of the camp. "There is still one important matter to take care of."

Cognus jumped up to follow him. "Your old apprentice?" she guessed.

Or was it a guess?

Bane stopped and turned back toward her. "Have you seen what will happen between me and my apprentice?"

"Ever since I came to this world to meet the princess I have dreamed of you both," Cognus admitted. "But the meaning is unclear."

"Tell me what you've seen," Bane ordered.

"The details are always changing. Different locations, different worlds, different times of the day or night. At times I see her dead at your feet, other times she is the victor. I have tried to make sense of it, but there are too many contradictions."

"The future of the Sith is precariously balanced between Zannah and myself," Bane explained. "Whoever survives our confrontation will control the destiny of the Sith, but our strength is too evenly matched for you to foresee the outcome."

Also:

For a moment they seemed to be evenly matched, neither gaining nor giving ground. And then suddenly it was over.

Seems conclusive. Here you are:

When it says "their powers increased", is that specifically talking about their combat arsenal or is it understanding of the force, dark side, etc?