Originally posted by Esau Cairn
That's the underlying point.
Some actors want out. Some are just obligated to cameo.
That's really is what's controlling the storylines.
Chris Evans recently talked about maybe staying on longer than originally thought. So no, the actor's contracts (while they do play a role in what that character can do) are NOT pushing the story.
Kevin Fiege and Marvel Studios are the ones doing that and doing a damn good job.
I'd argue that RDJ is a unique case considering his pay in regard to the rest of the MCU heroes. There's also thinks like Anthony Hopkins jumping ship and deciding when or when not to use Natalie Portman/Gwenith Paltrow that Kevin Feige and friends have to deal with.
Still not sure how this came about in a Superman thread but whatever.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
By your question I assume you're talking about the Phases? Phase 1, 2 and 3 and so on?
Also I was talking about the movies having a formula not the order and plans for the entire movieverse.
Originally posted by 80sBaby
This is a false equivalency because WB/DC is making their films in a specific order so the scripts will coincide with that vision. You can't jumble up the MCU films because they were written with a different plan in mind so, of course it wouldn't work if altered.
See the problem is that they didnt have a vision. It was suppose to be Man of Steel 2 after Man of Steel. Then it was suppose to be Man of Steel 2 with a cameo by Batman. Then it was not a superman movie anymore it was Batman V Superman with batman overtaking the title. Then it was suppose to feature cameos by wonder woman, and maybe aquaman. Then it was a Batman V Superman Featuring Wonder Woman. Now its not really a Batman VS Superman movie its a Justice League intro movie.
Seems there was no real plan. They are just re-writing shit whenever they have a bright new idea.
Originally posted by Inhuman
I just wanted clarification. I see the phrase "Marvel formula" thrown around a lot and its always a different explanation of what its suppose to mean. I think the people saying this just heard some hipster blogger or reviewer use the term and now people overuse it when they just want to criticize the films were there is little to criticize.Also I was talking about the movies having a formula not the order and plans for the entire movieverse.
Seems there was no real plan. They are just re-writing shit whenever they have a bright new idea.
Actually scratch this part of my reply. I misunderstood someones post .
Thought they were going back to saying the movies have a "formula" they follow and wanted clarification.
Unrelated to the MCU movie order formula.
Originally posted by Inhuman
I just wanted clarification. I see the phrase "Marvel formula" thrown around a lot and its always a different explanation of what its suppose to mean. I think the people saying this just heard some hipster blogger or reviewer use the term and now people overuse it when they just want to criticize the films were there is little to criticize.Also I was talking about the movies having a formula not the order and plans for the entire movieverse.
See the problem is that they didnt have a vision. It was suppose to be Man of Steel 2 after Man of Steel. Then it was suppose to be Man of Steel 2 with a cameo by Batman. Then it was not a superman movie anymore it was Batman V Superman with batman overtaking the title. Then it was suppose to feature cameos by wonder woman, and maybe aquaman. Then it was a Batman V Superman Featuring Wonder Woman. Now its not really a Batman VS Superman movie its a Justice League intro movie.
Seems there was no real plan. They are just re-writing shit whenever they have a bright new idea.
Ideas change all the time. Snyder has a map on a chalk board that was in development for several years. Things change around, which is normal. They have a plan, we don't know if it's going to be a good one.
Originally posted by Inhuman
I just wanted clarification. I see the phrase "Marvel formula" thrown around a lot and its always a different explanation of what its suppose to mean. I think the people saying this just heard some hipster blogger or reviewer use the term and now people overuse it when they just want to criticize the films were there is little to criticize.Also I was talking about the movies having a formula not the order and plans for the entire movieverse.
See the problem is that they didnt have a vision. It was suppose to be Man of Steel 2 after Man of Steel. Then it was suppose to be Man of Steel 2 with a cameo by Batman. Then it was not a superman movie anymore it was Batman V Superman with batman overtaking the title. Then it was suppose to feature cameos by wonder woman, and maybe aquaman. Then it was a Batman V Superman Featuring Wonder Woman. Now its not really a Batman VS Superman movie its a Justice League intro movie.
Seems there was no real plan. They are just re-writing shit whenever they have a bright new idea.
MoS 2 was never official as was the idea that Batman would only have a cameo, WW was only a cameo, etc. They were assumptions fans/new sites made based on the limited info available.
WB/DC very clearly DO have a vision considering they've announced their plans very publicly and haven't deviated since.
Originally posted by 80sBabyWhat? Did you even watch Iron Man? After the credits rolled we were introduced to Nick Fury, who basically told us about the Avenger Initiative. Iron Man was ALWAYS supposed to be the first MCU movie that would eventually lead into Avengers.
Also, Ironman wasn't originally supposed to lead into the Avengers nor was the Incredible Hulk. Worked out ok in the end, though.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
What? Did you even watch Iron Man? After the credits rolled we were introduced to Nick Fury, who basically told us about the Avenger Initiative. Iron Man was ALWAYS supposed to be the first MCU movie that would eventually lead into Avengers.
Um, you apparently don't know that the Fury cameo was added afterwards. It wasn't in the original script and got tacked on.
Originally posted by 80sBabyLet's see, even if that's the case...seeing as Iron Man started the ENTIRE MCU, and the Fury scene was in the movie AT RELEASE, it does count. Who cares if it was in the script or not. The point is, from the very beginning Kevin Feige and Marvel knew they wanted to make a Cinematic Universe leading into the Avengers....IF Iron Man was successful.
Um, you apparently don't know that the Fury cameo was added afterwards. It wasn't in the original script and got tacked on.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Let's see, even if that's the case...seeing as Iron Man started the ENTIRE MCU, and the Fury scene was in the movie AT RELEASE, it does count. Who cares if it was in the script or not. The point is, from the very beginning Kevin Feige and Marvel knew they wanted to make a Cinematic Universe leading into the Avengers....IF Iron Man was successful.
Obviously Inhuman cares since he's the one that brought it up. And no, that's not the point at all. In fact, you're directly contradicting Inhuman's point and backing up mine. Which is, WB/DC does have a plan and changes don't mean that they don't.
Originally posted by 80sBabyI never said I am arguing Inhuman's point. My point is that Marvel set the stage with the MCU, and now DC is trying to jump on the bandwagon. I don't really care what kind of plan they have, as long as it works out. The problem is it's looking like BvS was rushed. Avengers wasn't rushed but it was built up to.
Obviously Inhuman cares since he's the one that brought it up. And no, that's not the point at all. In fact, you're directly contradicting Inhuman's point and backing up mine. Which is, WB/DC does have a plan and changes don't mean that they don't.