Keaton's Batman killed loads. Remember the Batmobile scene dropping those bombs in the factory?
Or how about killing the Joker?
Still I think audiences might not like it when the most recent origin story they know of is Nolan's with the epic line not killing but not having to save them either.
Plus Batman in the animated series wouldn't kill either IIRC.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Punisher tried to pay off the victim's wife with a bag full of money.
.He was scared The Guilty Monster would give him bad dreams.
Which Punisher movie was that one?
sounds like the Thomas Jane one, I don't remember him doing that to the mobsters...only near the end giving the money to the people at the place he hanged out at.
Originally posted by Esau CairnShe didn't kill his own father. Superman cried over the man who killed his own father. Man the **** up. He also let a nado take his step dad.
Punisher tried to pay off the victim's wife with a bag full of money.
He was scared The Guilty Monster would give him bad dreams.Supes cried out in anguish & moved on.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Keaton's Batman killed loads. Remember the Batmobile scene dropping those bombs in the factory?Or how about killing the Joker?
Still I think audiences might not like it when the most recent origin story they know of is Nolan's with the epic line not killing but not having to save them either.
Plus Batman in the animated series wouldn't kill either IIRC.
The Joker was accidental, imo.
As far as Bale goes, I think that's indicative of the problem with Batman. He tells himself he doesn't kill. He tells other people he doesn't kill. Yet, either directly or indirectly, he still causes deaths.
Originally posted by -Pr-
The Joker was accidental, imo.
Sort of. But he did tell him "I'm going to kill you." Pretty sure he meant it.
Besides like already pointed out, he killed other people as well.
Originally posted by -Pr-
As far as Bale goes, I think that's indicative of the problem with Batman. He tells himself he doesn't kill. He tells other people he doesn't kill. Yet, either directly or indirectly, he still causes deaths.
Interesting observation.
Really depends on the extent of his killing tbh. Will see how much of a "killer" he is. If it's a case of "he's willing to kill, but would prefer not to" then I think most people would be fine with that.
But if he's just decided to go around killing criminals the way Blade or Punisher do, then I'm pretty sure most people would have a real problem with that (me included).
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Sort of. But he did tell him "I'm going to kill you." Pretty sure he meant it.Besides like already pointed out, he killed other people as well.
Interesting observation.
Really depends on the extent of his killing tbh. Will see how much of a "killer" he is. If it's a case of "he's willing to kill, but would prefer not to" then I think most people would be fine with that.
But if he's just decided to go around killing criminals the way Blade or Punisher do, then I'm pretty sure most people would have a real problem with that (me included).
Oh did he? I forgot that part.
True, I had just thought the Joker itself was more him trying to catch the Joker, but if he said it to him, then fair enough.
It's part of the suspension of disbelief that comes with the character, imo. Through comics, games, and the movies and such, Batman is always "I don't kill", but he'll break your bones and leave you bleeding in an alleyway.
The Arkham games are a great example of it in action.
I choose to look at it as being him not being a murderer, which is a different thing.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah IIRC the dialogue went:Batman: "I'm going to kill you"
Joker: "You idiot! You made me!"
^ In the final fight but before anyone fell.
Just watching it now, and you were right, he does say it. Though Keaton's Batman was a weird mix of Frank Miller's Batman with other elements, so I'm not surprised now that I think about it.
Superman killing Zod in MOS to save innocent lives/humanity and then feeling remorse over it was more Superman-like than Superman killing a depowered Zod in Superman II, with a smirk on his face no less.
But people don't often rip on Superman II for that.
Well the old Superman movies never took themselves too serious. They were campy.
MOS was a serious realistic take on Superman and the world around him. That tone is some thing Zack Snyder and Co. Hammered into everyone's heads in most their interviews.
Even early interviews for BvS had Snyder & CO taking shots at marvel films for being lighthearted and having humor.
So that all plays into making fun of a movie that tries so hard to be gritty and realistic. Deaths and certain situations look a lot more serious in a movie that tries so hard to be so serious and mature.
Hmm. Not sure I fully buy "they were campy" as being a solid excuse, it's still a portrayal of Superman, who not only tortures, but then murders a then defenseless and non-threat Zod, for no other reason than vengeance. But fair enough if you feel that way.
In regards to MoS being "realistic", grudgingly killing Zod in order to save humanity from his wrath is realistic. Who wouldn't kill one maniac to save countless innocents. I understand some people didn't care for MoS and it definitely has its faults, the Zod-death isn't one of them though.
BTW, just noticed what you did to Supe's hairline in your sig, funny.
Originally posted by Inhuman👆
Well the old Superman movies never took themselves too serious. They were campy.MOS was a serious realistic take on Superman and the world around him. That tone is some thing Zack Snyder and Co. Hammered into everyone's heads in most their interviews.
Even early interviews for BvS had Snyder & CO taking shots at marvel films for being lighthearted and having humor.So that all plays into making fun of a movie that tries so hard to be gritty and realistic. Deaths and certain situations look a lot more serious in a movie that tries so hard to be so serious and mature.
Yeah I have no issue in Supes killing Zod when he's tearing up the city and will carry on murdering people. And the fact that he still cried about it shows he really didn't want to kill anyone.
However there were clearly people getting killed for a while so a better criticism would be why he wasn't screaming in emotional pain earlier.
I personally think Snyder was just focusing on giving us some great action sequences, but not thinking through the consequences of that level of destruction.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
But if he's just decided to go around killing criminals the way Blade or Punisher do, then I'm pretty sure most people would have a real problem with that (me included).
This was what I was leaning towards. I was clearly wrong about the earlier Batman movies (haven't watched them in years), but I just don't want them to make Batman into another Punisher.