Average Showings vs High Showings...

A few minutes ago, I commented on the Odin vs Gah Lak Tus thread and it got me to thinking about our tendency (and yes I am guilty of this too; I was guilty of the following in the very thread I referenced above) to use High Showings automatically to prove that one character can beat another...

Case in point, Odin; in the eyes of many, he is a confirmed Galaxy Buster and as a result people argue that he can defeat many opponents just by unleashing said attack on them and ending the fight immediately...

But on Average how often does Odin do this? In my current opinion, not enough (especially not any time recently; you got to go back to the 90's [I think thats when he fought Seth] to see Odin performing at that level) for him to automatically unleash such power in a versus fight...

So I guess my question is, where do we draw the line in such arguments? At what point can High Showings be used (unless specifically specified) to argue for a character when said character hasnt performed at that level for a long time or when said showing is significantly beyond that characters norm?

Kmc logic
Use high feats for character you want to win, but use low to average feat for characters you'd like to lose

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Kmc logic
Use high feats for character you want to win, but use low to average feat for characters you'd like to lose

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Most of the time, this does seem to be the case...

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Kmc logic
Use high feats for character you want to win, but use low to average feat for characters you'd like to lose

High showing shouldn't be used when they exceed logically what the characters station would allow

Also many high showings have context the poster tends to leave out...

Ofcourse feats must be taken along with their context but, generally speaking low-feats are usually a sign of a writer making a short-circuit to the ending his story needs.

High-end feats represent a character's potential and average feats just testify to the easy/difficult 'life' he leads, story-wise.

Feats are what they are, feats. Writers don't generally write them and expect them to be used in versus forums. Feats ate what they are used to represent. You see a characters like Hal whose average isn't one shooting beings who have the power of 7 emotional entities. You dont see the forums using that as a liable attack.
Yet you see the same argument being used for characters like Superman or Thor, who in 30+yrs of feats will eventually to an insane feat.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Kmc logic
Use high feats for character you want to win, but use low to average feat for characters you'd like to lose

Try any discussion ever.

At least with people from the murricahs 🙂

Originally posted by pym-ftw
High showing shouldn't be used when they exceed logically what the characters station would allow

I agree with this...

But 1st lets relate this to Odin; I dont believe that Skyfathers should have Galaxy Busting power...

This belief combined with the fact that Galaxy Busting is typically something Skyfathers dont do in combat situations makes me believe that Odins Galaxy Busting ability should not be allowed in a Versus debate unless one is specifically including High Showings...

What do you think about that?

Originally posted by janus77
Ofcourse feats must be taken along with their context but, generally speaking low-feats are usually a sign of a writer making a short-circuit to the ending his story needs.

High-end feats represent a character's potential and average feats just testify to the easy/difficult 'life' he leads, story-wise.

I'm not sure if I agree with the part about High-End Feats...

Do you really think a High Herald should be capable of doing something that the combined might of 3 High End Skyfathers failed to do and it not be blatant PIS?

I think something of that maginitude goes beyond "character's potential."

i've always been confused why so few call pis on high feats. everyone quickly calls low feats pis, but high feats are 'potential'. why do high feats carry more validity for so many? i have no idea.....typical portrayals are what should be used most often in the forum imo. lowballing and highballing are weak ways to make a case and most recognize that around here now-a-days.....

Odin can destroy galaxies, which flows into the range he can attack a being in.

The probably is the effectiveness of it when you consider he was using these attacks against a pussy like Seth, although he did trash him with it...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Odin can destroy galaxies, which flows into the range he can attack a being in.

The probably is the effectiveness of it when you consider he was using these attacks against a pussy like Seth, although he did trash him with it...

No doubt, Odin has done it, but is that his average or is that a high feat for him?

Based on his quantity of fights and the fact that many of said fights have come against foes more powerful than Seth, I'd say that busting a galaxy is outside of his norm...

How many times has he faced Surtur and busted Galaxies while fighting him?

Odin fought a massively amped Set (not Seth) and their battle didnt bust Galaxies....

Against Galactus, Odin didnt do anything that even remotely suggested he had Galaxy busting power...

What about the massively amped Odin versus the Celestials?

And once again, Odin hasnt done any galaxy busting since the 90's...more than 13 years ago.

With all of that stated, I dont think there can be any argument that Odins Galaxy Busting is beyond his norm (or the norm for any Skyfather for that matter)...

Originally posted by leonidas
i've always been confused why so few call pis on high feats. everyone quickly calls low feats pis, but high feats are 'potential'. why do high feats carry more validity for so many? i have no idea.....typical portrayals are what should be used most often in the forum imo. lowballing and highballing are weak ways to make a case and most recognize that around here now-a-days.....

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IMO if going by feats alone, a lower feat is just as valid as a high end feat. If people debate in the spirit of how this forum is designed, then high end vs low end becomes a non issue...

Feats, showings, power set, portrayal... In whichever order. If you run to the "feats" card too often, then it won't be long before a counter feat from a lower showing is trumpeted.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
No doubt, Odin has done it, but is that his average or is that a high feat for him?

Based on his quantity of fights and the fact that many of said fights have come against foes more powerful than Seth, I'd say that busting a galaxy is outside of his norm...

How many times has he faced Surtur and busted Galaxies while fighting him?

Odin fought a massively amped Set (not Seth) and their battle didnt bust Galaxies....

Against Galactus, Odin didnt do anything that even remotely suggested he had Galaxy busting power...

What about the massively amped Odin versus the Celestials?

And once again, Odin hasnt done any galaxy busting since the 90's...more than 13 years ago.

With all of that stated, I dont think there can be any argument that Odins Galaxy Busting is beyond his norm (or the norm for any Skyfather for that matter)...

We know he can destroy galaxies in weaker forms. That doesn't mean he's using less power to damage more powerful beings when it fails to hurt Spider-Man two feet away. The feat isn't pis because galaxies are destroyed, the feat would be pis if say Celestials are destroyed from the backlash though.
Odin can destroy galaxies, which would come in handy against many Surfers, or Hulk or beings he could already one shot, but it doesn't make a lick of a difference against a Galactus.

Also, Odin's never fought Set. He would have been annihilated. You're thinking of Odin without the Odin Force (but drawing on Asgard) fighting Seth again.

Originally posted by leonidas
i've always been confused why so few call pis on high feats. everyone quickly calls low feats pis, but high feats are 'potential'. why do high feats carry more validity for so many? i have no idea.....typical portrayals are what should be used most often in the forum imo. lowballing and highballing are weak ways to make a case and most recognize that around here now-a-days.....

And it's hypocritical as well. If someone like Bats or Daredevil has a "high feat" it's instantly PIS. But when Thor or Supes does it, it's a "high feat". Smmh.

What's worse, feat used 30 years ago is apparently legit. You telling me on 30 years, that characters power level stayed the same? Bull

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It's not really a high feat though considering who he was using it on. It flows into scope of his power. Though it has to do with raw power itself, it's not necessary to showcase his power.

We know he can destroy galaxies in weaker forms. That doesn't mean he's using less power to damage more powerful beings when it fails to hurt Spider-Man two feet away. The feat isn't pis because galaxies are destroyed, the feat would be pis if say Celestials are destroyed from the backlash though.
Odin can destroy galaxies, which would come in handy against many Surfers, or Hulk or beings he could already one shot, but it doesn't make a lick of a difference against a Galactus.

Also, Odin's never fought Set. He would have been annihilated. You're thinking of Odin without the Odin Force (but drawing on Asgard) fighting Seth again.

But he's only done it this once (against Seth) in actual combat Branlor...

And if that is not a High Feat for Odin (in combat situations), what has he done outside of his fight against Seth thats greater? What does he have under his belt that makes the Seth showing average?

Btw, I did make a mistake; you are correct, it was an amped Seth that he fought against in Asgard...not Set.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I agree with this...

But 1st lets relate this to Odin; I dont believe that Skyfathers should have Galaxy Busting power...

This belief combined with the fact that Galaxy Busting is typically something Skyfathers dont do in combat situations makes me believe that Odins Galaxy Busting ability should not be allowed in a Versus debate unless one is specifically including High Showings...

What do you think about that?

I don't think it is where they open up at, same as people that argue instance bfr, Speedblitz, God Blast.. its an option and it is literally the max they could be forced to go to...

So no Odin isn't going to galaxy bust superman in a fight, but if he fought Galactus he might...

I hope that makes sence