I know longer believe in Techno-utopia or Accelerating Returns

What's been brought to light on the matter is that information technology does have limits, it has not been steadily exponential, it's been dropping and should plateau in 2020. Also, computers don't work like human intelligence, no matter how fast or powerful they get, they aren't intelligent. Lastly, Utopia isn't viable, it cannot be implemented, those who are able to gain power seem to be able to oppress. We have human nature and the law of thermodynamics.

However, I do believe that we will manage to colonize space, and spread out, and that we'll always find new ways to better implement technology even when it's reached its limits, or achieve linear gains in computer technology as we make it larger, but compression stops at a certain point. Ultimately, we won't escape an entropic event unless we utilize Planck scale energy, but we might as well harness dark energy and achieve instantaneous inter-galactic space travel. Are those exploits possible?

You no, you coulda just posted this in your other thread.

Utopia is fantasy, good for books but impossible. The future you speak of (technologically) will be possible but give it about 300 years before the general population of Earth gets off the stupid pills and begin with advancing tech and space.

Originally posted by Dolos
Ultimately, we won't escape an entropic event unless we utilize Planck scale energy,

Originally posted by Dolos
but we might as well harness dark energy

Originally posted by Dolos
and achieve instantaneous inter-galactic space travel.

Originally posted by Dolos
Are those exploits possible?

Originally posted by Astner
Planck energy isn't a type of energy it's an energy constant where Quantum Field Theories—which are a low energy approximations—lose their validity.

Energy powerful enough to exert pressure on the Planck scale has been theorized as being able to produce a rift and allow for non-linear time travel by affecting the quantum foam we know as empty space, according to Michio Kaku.

You've misinterpreted my thesis by underestimating my understanding.

We don't know what dark energy is.

That's not going to happen regardless of what magnitudes of energy we're able to harness according to the standard models.

No.

Why did you separate dark energy and instant space travel in your response????

Obviously I'm smart enough to realize nothing with mass can surpass C. Dehrpa derpah.

We've never observed dark energy, it's a concept for why space time is expanding. Right now it's in the abstraction stage.

You're saying something is impossible when have no idea whether it is or not.

What a fast, and just as unfounded, switch in opinion...

Originally posted by Bardock42
What a fast, and just as unfounded, switch in opinion...

So, to instigate these little debates, you like to wait until someone who is educated like Astner or SM to jump in, so you can say something like this.

Obnoxious tweens. smh.

And it's not a switch, I never said either way whether we'll be able to generate enough energy on the Planck length to affect space or harness dark energy to affect space, or something similar, to various effects. And I never believed otherwise, so it's not even a switch in opinion from the opposite of what I believed before. It's still the same ole Star Trek inspired tech. And it's still only what I believe.

I actually still believe AI is possible, now I'm just as interested in IA (intelligence augmentation), but current humans could be surpassed in every capacity by computer technology and by future humans.

I don't know anyone who can beat even a medium level pc in an online chess match on chess.com. Relatively rudimentary computers ARE smarter than us in many important capacities and are making us less skilled in those areas as we rely on calculators and the like. However, future super duper computers are nothing compared a mere child in the common sense aspect of intelligence.

As for IA, the human brain is already an advanced system, when we complete the human genome, will have an understanding of it from the ground up, and therefore have a head start on AI in certain areas. Utilizing them together will deliver supreme effects.

The key things I gave up are a) Utopia and b) Endlessly exponential computing power.

Originally posted by Dolos
Obnoxious tweens. smh.

Originally posted by Dolos
Energy powerful enough to exert pressure on the Planck scale has been theorized as being able to produce a rift and allow for non-linear time travel by affecting the quantum foam we know as empty space, according to Michio Kaku.

Originally posted by Dolos
You're saying something is impossible when have no idea whether it is or not.

@Bardock - When I said you don't have education here, like me. I meant that neither of us have any education in these fields. Though, that is a stupid assumption on my part as I have no idea whether you have education or not, the assumption is based off the fact that you never actually debate me on technicalities. But that could be because you know I'm full of it.

As has been pointed out, I base things off what I read. I debate higher level concepts than Astner, for instance, but my side of the debate is fundamentally flawed because everything Astner and the like debate about they have learned through more scientific rigor, they know and understand things imperative for these higher level concepts that I don't.

Anyone can read a thousand articles, doesn't make them a scientist.

Originally posted by Dolos
I debate higher level concepts than Astner,

Originally posted by Dolos
You don't have education here, like me.

So, to instigate these little debates, you like to wait until someone who is educated like Astner or SM to jump in, so you can say something like this.

Obnoxious tweens. smh.

And it's not a switch, I never said either way whether we'll be able to generate enough energy on the Planck length to affect space or harness dark energy to affect space, or something similar, to various effects. And I never believed otherwise, so it's not even a switch in opinion from the opposite of what I believed before. It's still the same ole Star Trek inspired tech. And it's still only what I believe.

I actually still believe AI is possible, now I'm just as interested in IA (intelligence augmentation), but current humans could be surpassed in every capacity by computer technology and by future humans.

I don't know anyone who can beat even a medium level pc in an online chess match on chess.com. Relatively rudimentary computers ARE smarter than us in many important capacities and are making us less skilled in those areas as we rely on calculators and the like. However, future super duper computers are nothing compared a mere child in the common sense aspect of intelligence.

As for IA, the human brain is already an advanced system, when we complete the human genome, will have an understanding of it from the ground up, and therefore have a head start on AI in certain areas. Utilizing them together will deliver supreme effects.

The key things I gave up are a) Utopia and b) Endlessly exponential computing power.

Nah, I would have said that earlier, had I found the thread earlier.

And I believe, I may be one of the people closest to the practical applications of Information Technology here...

Originally posted by Bardock42
And I believe, I may be one of the people closest to the practical applications of Information Technology here...

I'm currently working in an IT department...

Originally posted by Bardock42
And I believe, I may be one of the people closest to the practical applications of Information Technology here...

Do you even code?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm currently working in an IT department...

You weren't here doped

Originally posted by Astner
Dude, you primarily use an iMac running OSX...

Do you even code?

I primarily use a MacBook Air running OS X.

And yes, yes I do.

Funny you mention IT. One day (not more than 10 years, Astner) I hope to blow you in the dust as an IT warrior, a modern Achilles in a totally different field of combat.

Cyber Security and Espionage Specialist for Federal Intelligence. A thief of financial, military, and political secrets - a mercenary of cyber hackers. Total mastery of everything there is to know about the language 01. I'll make you a criminal overnight.

I jest.

However, such benefits from the Federal Government I'd earn could allow me to both afford and invest the time to earn every PhD there will be. If I wanted to go BatOzymandias and make everyone gawk at my impossible skill-set.

Looks like Dolos is still Dolosing, so nothing has changed regardless of his current opinion.

Originally posted by Dolos
Funny you mention IT.

Is it, though? Or did you perhaps mention it in the opening post?

It's one or the other, but I'm unsure.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, I would have said that earlier, had I found the thread earlier.

And I believe, I may be one of the people closest to the practical applications of Information Technology here...