Originally posted by Ambient
Dude only surfer broke the influence no other.Like I said they where written poorly - abstract > Fernus.
You meant the totality of the other killed him and that was not via telepathically.
Infact he pretty much no sold a telepathic attack from the other.Lol you meant he owned psycho man pretty badly, the only reason he got affected by that psycho machine was getting a drop on him.
Context man context..
Its more like that writers don't take characters like we do on vs forums.
It was just a few of his consciousness. It was most certainly mindrape.
After he made peace with his inner demons. He was still mindraped straight up. Fernus is much more powerful than psycho-man's machines.
Psycho man again mindraped him in Hulk 12 just before Rulk drained him and killed him.
Dude like I said! Context! There was no mind rape in those scans.
I mention it earlier on above post that psycho manchineel got the drop on him, heck didn't even know who or what those machines where. Do u know how easy he owned psycho man when he meant business. You need to put up evidence scan to ur point otherwise it's just moot.
Don't remember Thor ever in goddess influence.. Scanz
Originally posted by Ambient
Dude like I said! Context! There was no mind rape in those scans.I mention it earlier on above post that psycho manchineel got the drop on him, heck didn't even know who or what those machines where. Do u know how easy he owned psycho man when he meant business. You need to put up evidence scan to ur point otherwise it's just moot.
Don't remember Thor ever in goddess influence.. Scanz
Surfer has experience with psycho-man. He knows what he and his machines can do.
It still doesn't explain Psycho-man mindraping him again in hulk 12.
Originally posted by abhilegend
People without planet busting did what surfer did just fine. Busting planets is just fine but it isn't an automatic win.
Fernus steamrolled them later when they were prepared too.
The only thing that matters there is TP and Fernus overpowered more than 100 telepaths who could operate TP at a galactic level.
Yeah, but I didn't say or suggest it was an autowin. I clearly said it was an indicator of his power output, so this is a strawman argument.
Fernus is very powerful in one area. SS is very powerful in several areas. And now matter how highly your regard Fernus's TP, I am sure you will agree (although, maybe not based on your overall stance) that Goddess was FAR AND AWAY more powerful. Well, Surfer resisted her. You asked for an example of his TP resistance after first doubting he had any.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes. I said that too.Surfer has experience with psycho-man. He knows what he and his machines can do.
It still doesn't explain Psycho-man mindraping him again in hulk 12.
Well Ambient, here is your proof. Looks like Thor being controlled for somewhere between 5 and 10 seconds. 😄
Originally posted by curryman
Hulk 12 was an alternate Surfer randomly plucked from the timestream and it was a part of Loeb's absolutely terrible run 😐The Goddess also succeeded in temporarily controlling thor, before the Valkyrie-madness overpowered it and he took off.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Yeah, but I didn't say or suggest it was an autowin. I clearly said it was an indicator of his power output, so this is a strawman argument.Fernus is very powerful in one area. SS is very powerful in several areas. And now matter how highly your regard Fernus's TP, I am sure you will agree (although, maybe not based on your overall stance) that Goddess was FAR AND AWAY more powerful. Well, Surfer resisted her. You asked for an example of his TP resistance after first doubting he had any.
Goddess wasn't focused on controlling surfer totally.
Originally posted by abhilegend
It was 616 surfer.
Fernus can avoid surfer's blasts by going intangible.Goddess wasn't focused on controlling surfer totally.
So, you think a fight between Surfer and Fernus would be Fernus simply going intangible for the entire fight? In that case, Surfer time travels backward to whenever and kills Fernus as a baby or pod or whatever. And yes, Surfer CAN do that. Or, he flies away at several thousand times the speed of light to escape the scope of Fernus psi and flies back just as fast or faster, killing Fernus.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
So, you think a fight between Surfer and Fernus would be Fernus simply going intangible for the entire fight? In that case, Surfer time travels backward to whenever and kills Fernus as a baby or pod or whatever. And yes, Surfer CAN do that. Or, he flies away at several thousand times the speed of light to escape the scope of Fernus psi and flies back just as fast or faster, killing Fernus.
Surfer can't leave battlefield as it would be self BFR and he would auto lose.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer has experience with psycho-man. He knows what he and his machines can do.It still doesn't explain Psycho-man mindraping him again in hulk 12.
Obviously not! Just take a look at the scan you provided. He wasn't even sure if that machine was gonna attack him! He didn't even perceive it as a real treat, judging by his lack approach. Heck! Does he even know that machine was from psycho man?
It looks like your taking all of Surfers TP resistance base on this showing, a low showing. It doesn't work that way man.
Here how bout this from the inciters. His got far more better TP feats than against psychoman - If I didn't know better I think your up to ur old tricks - lowball the hell out of character ur debating against- Lolz
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_minus1_p21.jpg
This guy lets out Telepathic influence around him and it didn't even reach Surfer yet Binary and roque succumb to it almost instantly.
My bad forgut about Thor from blood and thunder, the same one that moondragon and Odin couldn't do jack with they're TP's. that doesn't take anything away from surfer resisting and breaking goddess mental hold on him, fact it even put it on perspective..
Originally posted by curryman
616 surfer from a different point in time.For the record, I agree that Fernus' TP is too much for Surfer, but because of some garbage that Loeb spewed.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
LOL, okay, then Surfer time stomps him, EOS.
Originally posted by Ambient
Obviously not! Just take a look at the scan you provided. He wasn't even sure if that machine was gonna attack him! He didn't even perceive it as a real treat, judging by his lack approach. Heck! Does he even know that machine was from psycho man?It looks like your taking all of Surfers TP resistance base on this showing, a low showing. It doesn't work that way man.
Here how bout this from the inciters. His got far more better TP feats than against psychoman - If I didn't know better I think your up to ur old tricks - lowball the hell out of character ur debating against- Lolz
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b305/surfistaprateado/Silver_Surfer_v3_minus1_p21.jpg
This guy lets out Telepathic influence around him and it didn't even reach Surfer yet Binary and roque succumb to it almost instantly.
My bad forgut about Thor from blood and thunder, the same one that moondragon and Odin couldn't do jack with they're TP's. that doesn't take anything away from surfer resisting and breaking goddess mental hold on him, fact it even put it on perspective..
Not at all. He was mindcontrolled to fight against Dracula once too by a random magician IIRC.
Surfer explained that those were just fragments of a vast consciousness.
They could affect him with his TP and Thor wasn't totally mad at that point. Moondragon had Thor on his knees before mind gem somehow brought Valkyrie to life and Odin feared that he might kill Thor if he forcefully cured him.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He realized at the very moment it attached to his head and he even struggled before getting knocked out. He was caught un-prepared but he had time to get out.Not at all. He was mindcontrolled to fight against Dracula once too by a random magician IIRC.
Surfer explained that those were just fragments of a vast consciousness.
They could affect him with his TP and Thor wasn't totally mad at that point. Moondragon had Thor on his knees before mind gem somehow brought Valkyrie to life and Odin feared that he might kill Thor if he forcefully cured him.
Before you bring more to the fray, how about acknowledging what you just saw, which was psi resistance in it's purest form. You started off saying he didn't have any. He specifically used his cosmic power to manifest psi resistance, the same cosmic power he uses to amp his strength, create EP blasts, etc. You can continue to argue for Fernus, but the notion that Surfer doesn't have high level TP resistance is completely dead.
On a side note, I'd love to see Dracula or Fernus defeat Mephisto in his own realm.
