Originally posted by abhilegend
He realized at the very moment it attached to his head and he even struggled before getting knocked out. He was caught un-prepared but he had time to get out.Not at all. He was mindcontrolled to fight against Dracula once too by a random magician IIRC.
Surfer explained that those were just fragments of a vast consciousness.
They could affect him with his TP and Thor wasn't totally mad at that point. Moondragon had Thor on his knees before mind gem somehow brought Valkyrie to life and Odin feared that he might kill Thor if he forcefully cured him.
This was when he was trap on earth depowered and by mystical manipulation, pretty much irrelevant to this discussion.
Fragment of an abstract entity - however you look at it is very impressive TP resistance feat.
Taking all Surfer TP resistance from all his showing shouldn't be too far fetch for him to resist fernus TP in forum battle, this is all I'm saying +/add powerful energy output! It isn't spite match either.
Why don't u do as a favor and start counter argument your match with Digi. Lolz
The suspense is killing me.. 🙂
Originally posted by Ambient
Well this is what u would call a low showing - I mean for someone who supposedly quite familiar with the character's history - this shouldn't be a no brainer. ( tanking blows from the likes of Thor, savage hulk. Resisting TP from sin eaters, inciters, the others, god cable, Goddess - etc and then to go down within one shot from that machine then get tp'ed is clearly not of the norm showing for the Surfer, so using this as bases for Surfers TP resistance is a clear lowball to the character . )This was when he was trap on earth depowered and by mystical manipulation, pretty much irrelevant to this discussion.
Fragment of an abstract entity - however you look at it is very impressive TP resistance feat.
Taking all Surfer TP resistance from all his showing shouldn't be too far fetch for him to resist fernus TP in forum battle, this is all I'm saying +/add powerful energy output! It isn't spite match either.
Why don't u do as a favor and start counter argument your match with Digi. Lolz
The suspense is killing me.. 🙂
Some people are clearly not taking into account that Norrin's soul has been tampered with by Galactus several times since the initial inception of the character. This tampering I believe, galvanized his mind giving him very high amounts of TP resistance. What we saw in Hulk 12 was a Surfer that did not yet go through the process of having his soul and mind buffed up by Galactus yet, or more than the one time that Galactus imbues all of his Herald's with. Galactus made the Surfer capable of resisting the harshest of conditions that he might face while searching for planets to serve him.
Originally posted by Stoic
Some people are clearly not taking into account that Norrin's soul has been tampered with by Galactus several times since the initial inception of the character. This tampering I believe, galvanized his mind giving him very high amounts of TP resistance. What we saw in Hulk 12 was a Surfer that did not yet go through the process of having his soul and mind buffed up by Galactus yet, or more than the one time that Galactus imbues all of his Herald's with. Galactus made the Surfer capable of resisting the harshest of conditions that he might face while searching for planets to serve him.
Originally posted by Ambient
Well this is what u would call a low showing - I mean for someone who supposedly quite familiar with the character's history - this shouldn't be a no brainer. ( tanking blows from the likes of Thor, savage hulk. Resisting TP from sin eaters, inciters, the others, god cable, Goddess - etc and then to go down within one shot from that machine then get tp'ed is clearly not of the norm showing for the Surfer, so using this as bases for Surfers TP resistance is a clear lowball to the character . )This was when he was trap on earth depowered and by mystical manipulation, pretty much irrelevant to this discussion.
Fragment of an abstract entity - however you look at it is very impressive TP resistance feat.
Taking all Surfer TP resistance from all his showing shouldn't be too far fetch for him to resist fernus TP in forum battle, this is all I'm saying +/add powerful energy output! It isn't spite match either.
Why don't u do as a favor and start counter argument your match with Digi. Lolz
The suspense is killing me.. 🙂
Surfer was never depowered by Galactus.
Yes, it took all his power to beat a fragment of an abstract. J'onn alone has vastly better feats than that and Fernus is literally millions of times more powerful than him. You are not fully comprehending just how powerful Fernus' TP was. Let me demonstrate that to you. J'onn was barely able to make Joker sane with all his power and for a short time.
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Later he got overwhelmed by Joker's mind in JLA 35.
Fernus turned Joker sane like an afterthought
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Only one white martian before he amplified his TP mindraped J'onn.
Then they amplified their TP a million fold with each brain they consumed.
Originally posted by abhilegend
They amped themselves with human brains with latent TP potentials.Just one brain of a human with latent TP amped their telepathy a million times and they were eating human brains for weeks. Fernus was a monster TP wise.
These same martians beat every superhero on earth
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Fernus slaughtered every one of them
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Surfer's TP resistance feats are nothing to what Superman has resisted and he couldn't do anything to fernus.
I want digi to start responding first.
Originally posted by Stoic
Some people are clearly not taking into account that Norrin's soul has been tampered with by Galactus several times since the initial inception of the character. This tampering I believe, galvanized his mind giving him very high amounts of TP resistance. What we saw in Hulk 12 was a Surfer that did not yet go through the process of having his soul and mind buffed up by Galactus yet, or more than the one time that Galactus imbues all of his Herald's with. Galactus made the Surfer capable of resisting the harshest of conditions that he might face while searching for planets to serve him.
Originally posted by Ambient
Yah! This was mentioned in the comics. I believe it was in the early 2nd season issue, when Galactus tampered with his mind to hid the where a bouts of Zenlla and so so, this block prevented his mind from outside intrusion.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Before you bring more to the fray, how about acknowledging what you just saw, which was psi resistance in it's purest form. You started off saying he didn't have any. He specifically used his cosmic power to manifest psi resistance, the same cosmic power he uses to amp his strength, create EP blasts, etc. You can continue to argue for Fernus, but the notion that Surfer doesn't have high level TP resistance is completely dead.On a side note, I'd love to see Dracula or Fernus defeat Mephisto in his own realm.
Hawkeye has defeated Mephisto in his realm. Daredevil has beaten mephisto. Not to mention the only time surfer did anything to surfer was when he caught him totally un-prepared and conceded that if Mephisto wasn't u-prepared he would've stand no chance.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I never said he doesn't has TP resistance. Its not enough for resisting Fernus' TP.Hawkeye has defeated Mephisto in his realm. Daredevil has beaten mephisto. Not to mention the only time surfer did anything to surfer was when he caught him totally un-prepared and conceded that if Mephisto wasn't u-prepared he would've stand no chance.
Again, Goddesses TP is much stronger than Fernus's, and he resisted it. It's easily strong enough.
The rest of your comments are too asinine for me to respond to.
In summary:
- You contended Fernus's TP was too strong for Surfer to overcome and Surfer had not shown TP resistance "since Annihilation."
- Surfer has high level TP resistance, proof provided.
- Surfer has resisted TP stronger than Fernus, proof provided.
You may argue on Fernus's behalf, but the idea that Fernus's TP is an autowin against the likes of Silver Surfer is utterly ridiculous. Anyone can see that if they are looking with their eyes and not their heart.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Again, Goddesses TP is much stronger than Fernus's, and he resisted it. It's easily strong enough.The rest of your comments are too asinine for me to respond to.
In summary:
- You contended Fernus's TP was too strong for Surfer to overcome and Surfer had not shown TP resistance "since Annihilation."
- Surfer has high level TP resistance, proof provided.
- Surfer has resisted TP stronger than Fernus, proof provided.You may argue on Fernus's behalf, but the idea that Fernus's TP is an autowin against the likes of Silver Surfer is utterly ridiculous. Anyone can see that if they are looking with their eyes and not their heart.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That's pretty self explanatory. She operated on a universal level.
J'onn and Saturn girl combine their powers and link every mind in universe to each other. That's what Goddess did, right? Fernus is millions of times more powerful than j'onn. Do the math.
Originally posted by abhilegend
J'onn has operated on universal scale too if we're going by that criteria.J'onn and Saturn girl combine their powers and link every mind in universe to each other. That's what Goddess did, right? Fernus is millions of times more powerful than j'onn. Do the math.
I did. If Fernus was millions of times more powerful than J'onn, there wouldn't be a D.C. Universe. It would be defeated with a thought.
