Lord Sidious Feats

Sidious is one of the more explore characters in Star Wars. Also, only a few star wars characters are viewed by many as being able to stand up to Sidious. So the question I have is:

Has Sidious ever defeated a force user who was near, equal, or greater than him in ability and power?

I cannot think of one.

Luke.

Yoda arguably

He didn't defeat Yoda

Hence arguably.

Originally posted by DarthSexy123
He didn't defeat Yoda

I believe multiple sources say otherwise.

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Originally posted by The Merchant
Luke.

Was Luke near or equal to his level of power at his time of defeat?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Hence arguably.

Wasn't that more of a stalemate?

Originally posted by Kotor3
Wasn't that more of a stalemate?

And technically Yoda made Sidious have the "O" face, so lets not get into technicalities.

Originally posted by Vensai
Eh. Yoda chose flee in the end while Sidious was the last one standing. It's technically Sidious' victory.

Yoda fled not due to Sidious overwhelming power, but due to the fact that he ran out of time because the stormtroopers had arrived to assist Sidious.

It may technically be a win for Sidious in that help came in time.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Yoda fled not due to Sidious overwhelming power, but due to the fact that he ran out of time because the stormtroopers had arrived to assist Sidious.

It may technically be a win for Sidious in that help came in time.

"Fact"?

I didn't see a single white helmet in the Rotunda until after Yoda fled when last I watched ROTS. And no source I'm aware of attributes his sudden departure to the arrival, impending or otherwise, of mooks.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
"Fact"?

I didn't see a single white helmet in the Rotunda until after Yoda fled when last I watched ROTS. And no source I'm aware of attributes his sudden departure the arrival, impending or otherwise, of mooks.

That is the impression I got from the movie as to the reason as to why he fled. If you are saying that is not correct then please enlighten me.

I'm not saying it's incorrect.

Yoda clearly didn't have all day to get the job done, but Imperial security was tragically lax, since the duel went on for some minutes without intercession from troopers. And Mas Amedda didn't seem to be in a hurry to run for help when he left the holding office beneath the Rotunda.

Personally, I'd say it owes to a number of relevant factors: Yoda was confirmed to be unarmed, Sidious might not have been, he'd just fallen from a great height (consider the amount of time and effort it took for Yoda to get to Sidious during the earlier pod scene, Sidious would just likely return to his missile-whoring ways), suffered a severe blow to morale (ROTS Visual Dictionary), and had an epiphany that a protracted confrontation with Sidious wouldn't get the job done (ROTS novel). And then, yes, that stormtroopers wouldn't be twiddling their thumbs all day to lend the boss a hand.

Basically, a bunch of shit fell on Yoda all at once and he made the safe call.

Fair enough.

Yoda had little energy left after the fight to continue (thanks to his age and use of Ataru), otherwise he should have had the strength to pull himself up (Sidious was also hanging off). Granted, Yoda had a shot at winning if they had been on even ground like Mace was against Sidious.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm not saying it's incorrect.

Yoda clearly didn't have all day to get the job done, but Imperial security was tragically lax, since the duel went on for some minutes without intercession from troopers. And Mas Amedda didn't seem to be in a hurry to run for help when he left the holding office beneath the Rotunda.

Personally, I'd say it owes to a number of relevant factors: Yoda was confirmed to be unarmed, Sidious might not have been, he'd just fallen from a great height (consider the amount of time and effort it took for Yoda to get to Sidious during the earlier pod scene, Sidious would just likely return to his missile-whoring ways), suffered a severe blow to morale (ROTS Visual Dictionary), and had an epiphany that a protracted confrontation with Sidious wouldn't get the job done (ROTS novel). And then, yes, that stormtroopers wouldn't be twiddling their thumbs all day to lend the boss a hand.

Basically, a bunch of shit fell on Yoda all at once and he made the safe call.

And that translates into a Sidious win? I guess this IS semantics. While everything you said may be correct in that Yoda didn't have the time or the patience to get back all the way up, it doesn't appear Sidious wanted any part of Yoda either after his O face.

Originally posted by dddddarth
And that translates into a Sidious win? I guess this IS semantics. While everything you said may be correct in that Yoda didn't have the time or the patience to get back all the way up, it doesn't appear Sidious wanted any part of Yoda either after his O face.

Sidious accomplished his primary goal whereas Yoda, by his own admission, failed. Sure, Yoda didn't get his ass outright spanked (no one suggests that). Likewise, Sidious's O face means no more to me than Yoda's look of extreme pain that preceded it.

Lets not get into semantics here. The fight itself was a stalemate, regardless of greater implications. And while Yoda did have extreme pain, it's a little different when he turned that around onto Sidious.