..................... Rank'em Pt.2 .....................

Originally posted by abhilegend
His part of starheart. Yes. The whole of starheart isn't his power source. That's like saying the whole sun is superman's power source, so sundipped superman isn't an amp. List them. I'm curious what team wreckers and HH he has wrecked.

This part used to be true but hasn't for a while.

At first Alan's power cam from the "green Flame" The Green Flame was basically the good magic ( life based) that was captured by the guardians when they were collecting the chaotic (Magic) energy of the universe. Knowing that eventually one day the "evil" magic would escape it broke itself free from the starheart and fell to earth as the meteor that was forged first into a lamp and eventually the railway lantern of Alan Scot GL.

During the first run of GL corps ( the Quarterly) a member of the GL corps ( full name escapes my old memory mormar or something) who was also magic came to Alan for his help because the starheart was about to escape and only Alan could contain it. At that point he wasn't successful, instead all Alan could do IIRC was so fully disperse it to reduce it's potency.

The starheart later reformed and created it's own dimension where it grew in power. It stripped his connection to the power and created a form for him again ( as without it he doesn't have one). BY the end of the ark ( which I'll have to find) he regained his energy and had actually contained the starheart within him ( all of it).

Some of the referrences you've mentioned like Holt's comments about him being the most powerful human were because he contains all that energy for Earths sake. It was also post that ark that he was shown to no longer have the wood weakness ( a weakness of the green flame as it's power was the power of Life and he could not harm life i.e. the "green"😉. There were about five only instances post that ark where poor writing had him succumb to wood and all were retconned by Johns to be because he believed he had the weakness at the time because he was mentally tired etc.

He was in fact NOT amped either during or after Brightest day. In brightest day it was the starheart in control not him. Instead of him keeping will ( and therefore power) back to contain it's energies the starheart entity was going all out. As for after ( when there are Several references to him having the "full" power of the starheart) he was in fact hindered and depowered greatly due to keeping even more will to contain it. His fear that the starheart would escape again made him vastly weaker (hense why Scythe was even able to harm him)

You want none brightest day feats.
1. Underworld unleashed he soloed most of hell. Neron had to get several high order hell lords to take him and then when he broke free he sealed a multiversal rift that threatened reality on a multiversal level.

2. In JSA ( 90's run) where his son Todd was at his peak drawing on all the power of the shadow realms, had possessed most of the JSA (including Hourman 1 million and Fate) as well as all NY Alan soloed him

3. One of the times he took down Mordru was after Mordru had absorbed the power of the artifacts of Fate. Another was just after Mordru had killed and absorbed enough or the Lords of Order and Chaos to be able to kill Jarred Stephens Fate.

3. Time manipulated an entire planet so that the planets whole existence laster hours while all it's inhabitants lived their full lives and the threat it's existence posed to Earth was ended.

Originally posted by beatboks
This part used to be true but hasn't for a while.

At first Alan's power cam from the "green Flame" The Green Flame was basically the good magic ( life based) that was captured by the guardians when they were collecting the chaotic (Magic) energy of the universe. Knowing that eventually one day the "evil" magic would escape it broke itself free from the starheart and fell to earth as the meteor that was forged first into a lamp and eventually the railway lantern of Alan Scot GL.

During the first run of GL corps ( the Quarterly) a member of the GL corps ( full name escapes my old memory mormar or something) who was also magic came to Alan for his help because the starheart was about to escape and only Alan could contain it. At that point he wasn't successful, instead all Alan could do IIRC was so fully disperse it to reduce it's potency.

The starheart later reformed and created it's own dimension where it grew in power. It stripped his connection to the power and created a form for him again ( as without it he doesn't have one). BY the end of the ark ( which I'll have to find) he regained his energy and had actually contained the starheart within him ( all of it).

Some of the referrences you've mentioned like Holt's comments about him being the most powerful human were because he contains all that energy for Earths sake. It was also post that ark that he was shown to no longer have the wood weakness ( a weakness of the green flame as it's power was the power of Life and he could not harm life i.e. the "green"😉. There were about five only instances post that ark where poor writing had him succumb to wood and all were retconned by Johns to be because he believed he had the weakness at the time because he was mentally tired etc.

He was in fact NOT amped either during or after Brightest day. In brightest day it was the starheart in control not him. Instead of him keeping will ( and therefore power) back to contain it's energies the starheart entity was going all out. As for after ( when there are Several references to him having the "full" power of the starheart) he was in fact hindered and depowered greatly due to keeping even more will to contain it. His fear that the starheart would escape again made him vastly weaker (hense why Scythe was even able to harm him)

You want none brightest day feats.
1. Underworld unleashed he soloed most of hell. Neron had to get several high order hell lords to take him and then when he broke free he sealed a multiversal rift that threatened reality on a multiversal level.

2. In JSA ( 90's run) where his son Todd was at his peak drawing on all the power of the shadow realms, had possessed most of the JSA (including Hourman 1 million and Fate) as well as all NY Alan soloed him

3. One of the times he took down Mordru was after Mordru had absorbed the power of the artifacts of Fate. Another was just after Mordru had killed and absorbed enough or the Lords of Order and Chaos to be able to kill Jarred Stephens Fate.

3. Time manipulated an entire planet so that the planets whole existence laster hours while all it's inhabitants lived their full lives and the threat it's existence posed to Earth was ended.

Yalan Gur was basically the GLC's best lantern of his time. He was nearly killed by a yellow monster beast things, and the Guardians feared that he would die and it would be a great blow to the Corps morale and all that, so they removed his yellow weakness. But the power drove him crazy, and he started conquering worlds, one of which was going to be Earth. Nothing could stop him. The Guardians saw this, so they replaced his yellow weakness with one to wood. He was basically killed by the chinese soldiers that he thought he would easily defeat.

As he lay dying, the Starheart came to earth, or rather a piece of it. THe Starheart is a bunch of chaotic magic energy that the Guardians caged and sent into the center of a star. Anyway, this piece of the starheart merged with Yalan Gur, his battery and his ring. Yalan's soul sort of become part of the battery which, at this point, was really nothing more than a big stone meteorite.

The meteor was prophecized to bring life, death and power in that order (or maybe with life and death switched). It fell into the possession of a crazy man who carved it into a lantern (at the subconscious behest of the trapped Yalan Gur). He was cured, some evil men were killed and then the lantern fell into possession of Alan Scott (specifically when the train he was on derailed and he alone survived thanks to the magical lantern that happened to be hung on the train for decoration).

He was compelled to carve a ring from the lantern, and viola.

So anyway, its mostly magic, but the Yalan Gur stuff explains the wood weakness and the obvious link to the cosmic lanterns.

Also Alan never had full power of starheart and the change from Sentinel to Green Lantern was just in name only. It was just a part of starheart and then a large asteroid of starheart came to earth and possessed alan, amping him at the start of Brightest Day JLA/JSA crossover. I don't have the comic right now but he was certainly amped.

1. Superman trashed most of Hell in DOV and casted Neron out of his body by pure willpower. He defeated Blaze when she was undisputed ruler of hell which was never done before. He has defeated Satanus and went on to seal a rift with Orion that threatened entire DCU.

2. That fate was a very rookie Hector hall and Hourman 1M was only at a fraction of his powers. Fate still got out of his control thanks to the helmet of nabu. Its a great feat but Superman has several feats that blow it out of the water.

3. That was the only time Alan took on Mordru and did fine. Mordru owned Alan and ripped starheart out of him before that. Jared stevens was killed by an ambush and by his own dagger. It had nothing to do with power.

4. Nothing like that but superman sent a planet which was threatening the entire omniverse to another universe.

fist it's not one interpretation, it's the latest. use the out dated yulan gur retcon if you want there have been two since. personally I use the last. to that end I wouldn't rate Alan very high at all at post Flashpoint sucks in power level. I'm only responding to the false starheart stuff.

the ark I recerred to came well after the change from Sentinel to Gl, in which I agree was name only. at that point he still had only the "green Flame" power within him.

1. not familiar with that to be honestand I have DOV but not read all the tie ins. issue #'s

2. Hector was not a factor in EITHER of the two feats where Alan matched an amped Mordru in power. The first was befor Hector assumed the mantle ( just) Mordru had absorbed Fate's artifacts and a lot of their power. Alan was matching him in power and Mordru used a destraction to divert his will and get the upper hand. that was only "Green Flame" Alan not full starheart. the second was after fatherland ark and Hecto had been gone for quite some time. Kent V was Fate and Mordru had possessed him and had his power on top of his own. Alan was NOT amped in any way and completley owned him. that was prior to the brightest day ark but was full star heart power.

there is also the time when he was finally released during the Ultra Humanite with Thunderbolt power ( 5th dimension djinn) where an pissed Alan completely owned Ultra with that reality warping power.

Jarred Stephens was killed by his ownknife but the onl reason Mordru could wield it was because he had absorbed those lords power. the knife was linked to Jarred and completely under his mental control, it would not have even been able to be used against him without the amp.

nice dodge of feats and twist of context to try and sell a point.

Originally posted by beatboks
fist it's not one interpretation, it's the latest. use the out dated yulan gur retcon if you want there have been two since. personally I use the last. to that end I wouldn't rate Alan very high at all at post Flashpoint sucks in power level. I'm only responding to the false starheart stuff.

the ark I recerred to came well after the change from Sentinel to Gl, in which I agree was name only. at that point he still had only the "green Flame" power within him.

1. not familiar with that to be honestand I have DOV but not read all the tie ins. issue #'s

2. Hector was not a factor in EITHER of the two feats where Alan matched an amped Mordru in power. The first was befor Hector assumed the mantle ( just) Mordru had absorbed Fate's artifacts and a lot of their power. Alan was matching him in power and Mordru used a destraction to divert his will and get the upper hand. that was only "Green Flame" Alan not full starheart. the second was after fatherland ark and Hecto had been gone for quite some time. Kent V was Fate and Mordru had possessed him and had his power on top of his own. Alan was NOT amped in any way and completley owned him. that was prior to the brightest day ark but was full star heart power.

there is also the time when he was finally released during the Ultra Humanite with Thunderbolt power ( 5th dimension djinn) where an pissed Alan completely owned Ultra with that reality warping power.

Jarred Stephens was killed by his ownknife but the onl reason Mordru could wield it was because he had absorbed those lords power. the knife was linked to Jarred and completely under his mental control, it would not have even been able to be used against him without the amp.

nice dodge of feats and twist of context to try and sell a point.

1. It was not in DOV. It was during DOJ when neron had abducted lois. Superman: Man of Tomorrow and DOJ 5.

2. You mean when Alan only had him wrapped in a cocoon and Mordru with a basic spell overpowered him? That's what you call matching power? Mordru was caught un-prepared at a mortal channeling starheart which was just renamed as green flame by alan.

That's quite an outlier since the last time Mordru had Fate's items, he owned Alan like a two bit whore, ripping starheart out of his chest. Superman owned 31st century Mordru who is far more powerful than young mordru in LO3W.

That was a disoriented Humanite who was losing the grip on T-bolt's power and it was a group effort. Superman oneshotted a quantum zealot who was outright owning a 5-D imp.

There was no mention of Mordru usurping Jared's mental connection with the dagger. It was simply a stabbing case.

Twisting? Where?

the GLC quarterly tales was in 91/2 it was regconned in either 94 or 5 ( i'm pretty certain because it was after legion became rebels) and again a year or so after that title folded.

so creatkng a spell that causes a distracti

the GLC quarterly tales was in 91/2 it was regconned in either 94 or 5 ( i'm pretty certain because it was after legion became rebels) and again a year or so after that title folded.

so creatkng a spell that causes a distraction In someone's middle ear is overpowering Is it? The reason Alan called it the green plane was because that's what it was then.

Sorry the events after the fatherland ark where mordru took over Kent V Nelson and assurped all the powers of the Nabu's artifacts. sent every member of the JSA to their own personal hell hole and was then owned like a ***** Didn't happen??? The tile in question was about four issues before the brightest day JLA / JSA tie in. . so NO that wasnt the "last" time Mordru had

Sorry you're trying to say one fear (one of the best outside brightest day) didn't even happen. Using an older story to say something wasn't Retcon. as well as claiming that a destraction technique ( against a being whos power is all will based) is over powering.

NO, no twisting context there at all.

the irony is I don't have a problem with Superman or Surfer being above Alan ( most of the time they are- unless bloodlusted) I just called you on the BS that Alan doesnt draw on All the starheart. since about 97/ 8 he has.

Originally posted by beatboks
the GLC quarterly tales was in 91/2 it was regconned in either 94 or 5 ( i'm pretty certain because it was after legion became rebels) and again a year or so after that title folded.

so creatkng a spell that causes a distraction In someone's middle ear is overpowering Is it? The reason Alan called it the green plane was because that's what it was then.

Sorry the events after the fatherland ark where mordru took over Kent V Nelson and assurped all the powers of the Nabu's artifacts. sent every member of the JSA to their own personal hell hole and was then owned like a ***** Didn't happen??? The tile in question was about four issues before the brightest day JLA / JSA tie in. . so NO that wasnt the "last" time Mordru had

Sorry you're trying to say one fear (one of the best outside brightest day) didn't even happen. Using an older story to say something wasn't Retcon. as well as claiming that a destraction technique ( against a being whos power is all will based) is over powering.

NO, no twisting context there at all.

the irony is I don't have a problem with Superman or Surfer being above Alan ( most of the time they are- unless bloodlusted) I just called you on the BS that Alan doesnt draw on All the starheart. since about 97/ 8 he has.

Yeah, it was not a distraction and Mordru easily broke Alan's will. Later he transmuted Alan into wood as an afterthought while fighting Hector. That's called overpowering. Green flame IS starheart's name as Alan calls it.

I didn't say it never happened. I said its an outlier since before Mordru has always owned Alan with or without fate's items. Wildcat knocked out Mordru in that arc FFS when before Mordru went toe to toe with power girl and held his own.

Never said it didn't happen.

You told that Alan matched power with Mordru in JSA 3 and I'm twisting context?

He doesn't draw on all of starheart since he forsook most of its power.

I'll have to find the issues. When I do I'll post the links or scans.

Yeah, it was not a distraction and Mordru easily broke Alan's will. Later he transmuted Alan into wood as an afterthought while fighting Hector. That's called overpowering. Green flame IS starheart's name as Alan calls it.

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Alan%20Scot/AlanVMordru1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=22

Obviously you only look at the pretty pictures not actually read teh words

dis·trac·tion
/disˈtrakSHən/
Noun
A thing that prevents someone from giving full attention to something else.

con·cen·tra·tion
/ˌkänsənˈtrāSHən/
Noun
The action or power of focusing one's attention or mental effort.

Mordru effectively called it what you say it wasn't on panel as he did it. Great post man!!!

I also find it interesting that you can quote the Yalan Gur retcon (post COIE since prior the Guardians of E1 Universe gathered Universe 1's amgic and expelled in to Universe 2) where it specifically mentions the the "good magic" that was a "part" of the Starheart calling itself the "Green Flame" but when discussing the Starheart conveniently forget it. Your a legend.

I didn't say it never happened. I said its an outlier since before Mordru has always owned Alan with or without fate's items. Wildcat knocked out Mordru in that arc FFS when before Mordru went toe to toe with power girl and held his own.

Buy a clue, You either have the completely wrong ark and storyor can't remember any of it. Wildcat was only seen in the few opening and closing panels and never got to so much as lay a glove on Mordru. He did Punch Kent V who Mordru was partially possessing and knock out Kent, but Mordru was quite clearly active and alert throughout.

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Mordru/MordushowshimeslfinKent.jpg.html

Hardly looks to me as if Mordru was even phased by Ted (because he wasn't even hit). Maybe you might need glasses. maybe that's why you have such a problem with retention of data, or getting the right context. Great feat that, knocking out a guy not fully in control of his own body who's sharing it with a Lord of Chaos. Yeah that's supposed to be a low feat for Mordru.

PG wasn't even a F$% team member ( she was leader of the JSA All Stars at that point, in fact that was the excuse they used to get Kent V into the meeting Room to vote on a new leader). Alan took on Mordru pretty much Solo. Wore him down Quite a bit ( by which time the team had escaped their dimensional traps). If you don't know what your talking about JUSt say so. Sorry you can't keep up.

The story In question was Justice Society Of America #35 ( started in 34) 2010. Not the 90's JSA series.

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Alan%20Scot/AlanVMordru2.jpg.html?sort=3&o=20

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Alan%20Scot/AlanVMordru3.jpg.html?sort=3&o=19

Notice the Helm of Nabu following Mordru Throughout. he has control of it.

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Alan%20Scot/AlanVMordru4.jpg.html?sort=3&o=18

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Alan%20Scot/JusticeSocietyofAmerica35-Page22.jpg.html

Definitely seems to be matching Mordru in "power" just as he was in the one you deny he distracted even though that is what Mordru himself says he did.

He also didn't in fact transform Alan or anyone else to wood ( he tried to transform the entire JSA though) but Hector as I recall it BFR'd them away not to protect them but because it was "his fight". From when ( courtesy of the prep he'd been given by Nabu in the world of the Amulet) Hector easily soloed him and showed him his own short comings and his future. he never even had to fight him.

I also love how you keep refrering to the one ark that IIRC referred to Alan CONTAINING the entire Starheart about 4 times ( maybe more only 4 come to mind). One when Mordru Stripped it. Another when shade examined Alan in the shadow dimension and determined what energy he had with the "starheart" removed was dying embers. Again when Todd ( Obsidian ) said Mordru was right and his dad was nothing without the starheart ( he still had green energy at this point - IIRC from Jade). Finally when Jay get's it after it is stripped from Mordru when Hector takes back his body and power ( OHHH so Mordru couldn't hold it without the amp, clearly he owns Alan every time)

When you take into consideration the context of the feats Mordru has never beaten Alan on a power level basis.

On standard showings is Superman more powerful than pre flashpoint Alan. you bet your life. Alan for 60 to 70% of his showings is VERY restrained. Due to the higher showings ( and Alan has enough of them to make it mater) he has the power to do what Superman can only do "amped" whithout amping but just going all out

So is the starheart standard equipment then for G.L Scott?

If yes... Does that make him top dog in Dc?

If not standard, then where is he placed?

Tryin to resolve this lol

Originally posted by Supermex
So is the starheart standard equipment then for G.L Scott?

If yes... Does that make him top dog in Dc?

If not standard, then where is he placed?

Tryin to resolve this lol

It was standard pre Flashpoint for a little over a decade, for most of which he rarely drew on the full potential. Over the last year and half it was more consistently used but was he was also shown to restrain himself to contain control it ( post brightest day in particular up until issue 50 of JSA)

In standard morals ( when a loved one or friend isn't in immediate danger) he's probably at around 7 to 8 ( somewhere just below Surfer, Supes, etc.).

Using it's potential but not controlled by it he's up there with but behind Spectre, Classic Strange, Classic Fate. Possesed by it he surpasses Fate and maybe ( MAYBE) even Strange but not Spectre.

No He's not top dog at DC.

Spectre, Anti Monitor, Micheal, Lucifer, Mxy, and several others are still above him.

Originally posted by beatboks
I'll have to find the issues. When I do I'll post the links or scans.

Good.

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Alan%20Scot/AlanVMordru1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=22

Obviously you only look at the pretty pictures not actually read teh words

dis·trac·tion
/disˈtrakSHən/
Noun
A thing that prevents someone from giving full attention to something else.

con·cen·tra·tion
/ˌkänsənˈtrāSHən/
Noun
The action or power of focusing one's attention or mental effort.

Mordru effectively called it what you say it wasn't on panel as he did it. Great post man!!!

On standard showings is Superman more powerful than pre flashpoint Alan. you bet your life. Alan for 60 to 70% of his showings is VERY restrained. Due to the higher showings ( and Alan has enough of them to make it mater) he has the power to do what Superman can only do "amped" whithout amping but just going all out

One more thing, calm the **** down.