So we must use gameplay if we want some arguing in here and I say that either Heartless Angel or Supernova turns this into a stomp in Sephiroth's favor.
We have a feat for FD Link, trashing a being that could pull a little moon from orbit and make it crash unto the planet. However star busting is ahead of that, by a long shot
Originally posted by BloodRain
..he's not a star buster. Its just flashy visuals.Do you, as a person I can only assume has played FF7 and/or spin-offs and/or the movie, really think someone like Sephiroth could just casually make destroy the Sun?
Those flashy visuals are the only proof we have, If they aren't valid then, say, Piccolo busting the moon in DBZ with a simple energy beam is just a flashy visual and not a feat right??
ndeed, Sephiroth at his strongest still lost to someone who could be seriously hurt by a bullet. no expression Also, that 'little' moon would have destroyed the world."Termina was in trouble. The moon was
plummeting toward the earth, and, in three
days’ time, the world would be destroyed."
All the Cloud vs Sephiroth battles are full of PIS. The writers have stated that Sephiroth is stronger than Omega during AC. I don't think that Cloud could take a planet scale life wiper.
The meteor Apophis, which isn't as large as our moon is, would bring an "end of the world" scenario If Earth gets hit. The same applies here. Killing everyone is technically "the end of the world".
Originally posted by trexalfa
Those flashy visuals are the only proof we have, If they aren't valid then, say, Piccolo busting the moon in DBZ with a simple energy beam is just a flashy visual and not a feat right??All the Cloud vs Sephiroth battles are full of PIS. The writers have stated that Sephiroth is stronger than Omega during AC. I don't think that Cloud could take a planet scale life wiper.
The meteor Apophis, which isn't as large as our moon is, would bring an "end of the world" scenario If Earth gets hit. The same applies here. Killing everyone is technically "the end of the world".
Seph can still be killed easily, as we've seen. I don't see 'the end of the world'. I see 'destroy the world'.
Originally posted by trexalfa
Those flashy visuals are the only proof we have, If they aren't valid then, say, Piccolo busting the moon in DBZ with a simple energy beam is just a flashy visual and not a feat right??
Again, Sephiroth who's greatest magic was with prep to summon a Meteor? This is that guy that is going to casually wipe out a star/system?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
When Piccolo did it the moon was actually gone. Sephiroth can't say the same.Seph can still be killed easily, as we've seen. I don't see 'the end of the world'. I see 'destroy the world'.
Do you think the plot would allow the solar system to be destroyed during the final boss? As I said, Sephiroth didn't canonicly use Supernova during that battle.
Destroy the world in that case means ruining civilization, destroying the landscape,... not tearing a planet apart.
Another FF example, most fans would tell you that Kuja is a planet buster because he destroyed Terra in FF IX, however this is a misconception because fans misunderstood a statement. Kuja only ruined the surface. That is equivalent to "destroying the world" If you ask me, no need to rip it to shreds.
Also we do not know how large Termina is.
No, they're not feats, they're just there to make the attacks look pretty.Again, Sephiroth who's greatest magic was with prep to summon a Meteor? This is that guy that is going to casually wipe out a star/system?
Meteor was meant to wound the planet, not to destroy it. We are using Safer Sephiroth, without those "pretty visuals" he is featless and we can't back up his strength and thus this debate is fairly useless, even when Supernova has been stated to be one of Sephiroth's abilities 😕
Originally posted by trexalfa
Do you think the plot would allow the solar system to be destroyed during the final boss? As I said, Sephiroth didn't canonicly use Supernova during that battle.Destroy the world in that case means ruining civilization, destroying the landscape,... not tearing a planet apart.
Another FF example, most fans would tell you that Kuja is a planet buster because he destroyed Terra in FF IX, however this is a misconception because fans misunderstood a statement. Kuja only ruined the surface. That is equivalent to "destroying the world" If you ask me, no need to rip it to shreds.
Also we do not know how large Termina is.
Meteor was meant to wound the planet, not to destroy it. We are using Safer Sephiroth, without those "pretty visuals" he is featless and we can't back up his strength and thus this debate is fairly useless, even when Supernova has been stated to be one of Sephiroth's abilities 😕
Does it? It doesn't sound like it to me. It sounds to me like it would destroy the world. Do you know what would happen to the Earth if our moon hit us? Protip, it'd do more than destroy civilization. You wouldn't be trying to downplay what Hyrule Historia outright tells us, would you?
And yes, we do. We know Termina is part of an alternate reality.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Sephiroth is not a solar system buster. Nothing he's ever done has suggested he is, therefore he is not. His absolute best feat took serious prep. 😐Does it? It doesn't sound like it to me. It sounds to me like it would destroy the world. Do you know what would happen to the Earth if our moon hit us? Protip, it'd do more than destroy civilization. You wouldn't be trying to downplay what Hyrule Historia outright tells us, would you?
And yes, we do. We know Termina is part of an alternate reality.
I'm not trying to downplay anything. Did Hyrule Historia get an official English release??
If you are not going to accept it, I would request the OP to change this to base Sephiroth or AC Sephiroth because then Safer Sephiroth is featless, he only appeared during a boss battle. If you want this to continue this way you would have to accept that Supernova comes into play if we are talking about Safer Sephiroth
Scream doesn't have time to entertain your Supernova theory. He's too busy being the only one who believes balls of electricity are teh coolest.
Granted I don't think all of the cutscenes in the game like that should be cut. Just Supernova, which is just confusing in how it is supposed to work in the story.
Originally posted by trexalfaYes, he's featless. All we can do with his is powerscale.
Meteor was meant to wound the planet, not to destroy it. We are using Safer Sephiroth, without those "pretty visuals" he is featless and we can't back up his strength and thus this debate is fairly useless, even when Supernova has been stated to be one of Sephiroth's abilities 😕
Like in another game with the strongest telekinesis being able to throw trucks, to a similar animation where the moon is dropped on Earth. Or Kirby who in his split the planet with a punch, when he's fairly weak. They're just visuals, visuals that are lightyears ahead of any of their powers.
Originally posted by trexalfaI'm not on board with this debate at all, tbh. FD Link is too much of an unknown. I'm just here to disagree with stellar destruction levels for Sephiroth. 😛
I'm not trying to downplay anything. Did Hyrule Historia get an official English release??If you are not going to accept it, I would request the OP to change this to base Sephiroth or AC Sephiroth because then Safer Sephiroth is featless, he only appeared during a boss battle. If you want this to continue this way you would have to accept that Supernova comes into play if we are talking about Safer Sephiroth
Edit: and yeah, HH did get an official English release under Dark Horse. Whether the translation is perfect has never been said. No news is probably good news though.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Safer Sephiroth could just turn him into a frog couldn't he? I know FD Link comes from MM so I know he doesn't have the MS.My Zelda knowledge is not the greatest.
Majora can polymorph bitches and age/de-age them on a whim, has soul attacking magic, powerful TK, etc. FD Link came out on top apparently but how is a mystery. Majora may never have used those. Maybe FD Link has contractual boss immunity. Can't say, so I'm not willing to make claims. Majora would be a lot better character to throw into a thread, though, since he has actual feats.
but yeah, Seph can't explode the solar system. uhuh
And now I remember one thing that proves Supernova as Sephiroth's ultimate attack, and not some flashy boss attack.
The FF VII Compilation Ultimania Guide mentions Supernova AND describes it, in the description it is mentioned that the Sun explodes in a Supernova. So the animation isn't as vague as Scream claims
Link here:
http://thelifestream.net/lifestream-projects/translations/523/sephiroth-character-profile-p76-81/
And again, if everyone is fine is because of gameplay.
Sorry, but what does that link do but describe a move we've already seen in the gameplay?
Sephiroth needed the Black Materia simply to wound the planet enough to bathe in the lifestream.
Him having that type of power on his own would make that necessity obsolete.
Supernova is a canon move, sure, but it does not have the power its visuals suggest. Sephiroth can't survive a supernova of his own creation when he's been damaged by less.