Newjak, read more Green Lantern comics man. They're not even close to perfect. They are, and have been historically, an example of typically underachieving with their abilities. Your arguments do not go against every in-comic description of the green lantern rings, but you keep bringing up creativity. Kyle is the only one who is ever mentioned (and barely shown) to have any kind of creativity.
You keep bringing up willpower, which I agree with. There is no way of telling how much willpower we have, it's not quantifiable and it seems to be completely random when you think about how completely ordinary many of the green lanterns are. I know a lot of people who've suffered far more hardships than all of them (pre-GL of course).
Furthermore it's not just about willpower, but PURE willpower. I might not even be able to accomplish a single thing because my willpower could be cynical, tainted by rage, etc. There's no point in discussing that any further. We have no way of knowing that. It's not what I'm trying to discuss with you.
I'm outlining some pretty damn specific ways of outperforming a lot of the lackluster stuff the green lanterns are doing, and you keep responding that regular human beings can perform on the level of comic-book green lanterns. Really? Because Hal was hailed as a genius when he thought to cover the yellow robot in mud, so they could beat it.
I've told you over three times now how it is possible to have the ring educate you, set up defenses against just about everything and find many ways around having to make split-second calls, and you're just flat out ignoring it.
You're annoyed because people on a comic-book discussion forum think they can outperform people in comics? Jesus man, I don't know what to tell you. You're kind of in a place where that stuff's going to come up. And trying to claim that a bunch of people who have experience with this stuff, can't calmly in the living room of their house, with an imagination fueled power-ring (assuming willpower is there) can't outdo someone who's creating hammers and machine-guns? Buddy, to me that's just lying to yourself.
If you have the willpower and you have the ring, there's nothing you can't create as long as you can imagine it. That is what the green lantern ring is.
Originally posted by JayDaDon
My point still stands
We weren't discussing willpower.
No one said creativity was all it took, but we were talking about doing better in that area. Leave the Strawman at the door, please.
Originally posted by currymanI brought up creativity as one point. But in the grand scheme of things GLs are typically shown to have diverse abilities not only based on their willpower or creativity but on a plethora of things.
Newjak, read more Green Lantern comics man. They're not even close to perfect. They are, and have been historically, an example of typically underachieving with their abilities. Your arguments do not go against every in-comic description of the green lantern rings, but you keep bringing up creativity. Kyle is the only one who is ever mentioned (and barely shown) to have any kind of creativity.You keep bringing up willpower, which I agree with. There is no way of telling how much willpower we have, it's not quantifiable and it seems to be completely random when you think about how completely ordinary many of the green lanterns are. I know a lot of people who've suffered far more hardships than all of them (pre-GL of course).
Furthermore it's not just about willpower, but PURE willpower. I might not even be able to accomplish a single thing because my willpower could be cynical, tainted by rage, etc. There's no point in discussing that any further. We have no way of knowing that. It's not what I'm trying to discuss with you.
I'm outlining some pretty damn [b]specific
ways of outperforming a lot of the lackluster stuff the green lanterns are doing, and you keep responding that regular human beings can perform on the level of comic-book green lanterns. Really? Because Hal was hailed as a genius when he thought to cover the yellow robot in mud, so they could beat it.I've told you over three times now how it is possible to have the ring educate you, set up defenses against just about everything and find many ways around having to make split-second calls, and you're just flat out ignoring it.
You're annoyed because people on a comic-book discussion forum think they can outperform people in comics? Jesus man, I don't know what to tell you. You're kind of in a place where that stuff's going to come up. And trying to claim that a bunch of people who have experience with this stuff, can't calmly in the living room of their house, with an imagination fueled power-ring (assuming willpower is there) can't outdo someone who's creating hammers and machine-guns? Buddy, to me that's just lying to yourself.
If you have the willpower and you have the ring, there's nothing you can't create as long as you can imagine it. That is what the green lantern ring is.
You had no point, no point at all.
We weren't discussing willpower.
No one said creativity was all it took, but we were talking about doing better in that area. Leave the Strawman at the door, please. [/B]
And I don't think there are a lot of people with that many skill sets and strength to be a good GL.
And if I'm honest with you I don't think you or many people would have the willpower to actually use a green lantern ring plus the wide range of different talents and skills to be a good one. Despite your living room desire to be.
Originally posted by Newjak
I brought up creativity as one point. But in the grand scheme of things GLs are typically shown to have diverse abilities not only based on their willpower or creativity but on a plethora of things.And I don't think there are a lot of people with that many skill sets and strength to be a good GL.
And if I'm honest with you I don't think you or many people would have the willpower to actually use a green lantern ring plus the wide range of different talents and skills to be a good one. Despite your living room desire to be.
Another one of my posts ignored.
It's very hard to discuss anything off the assumption that we have the willpower to use it, if you keep repeating "I don't think you have the willpower to use it".
^ Fourth time I bring that up.
You're not worthy of using Mjolnir, but obviously, for the purpose of this thread, we all are. The OP later mentioned transmutation, resurrection, time-travel, etc. Do you still think he intended for us to not be able to replicate Hal's feats? :/
Originally posted by currymanI know I'm not worthy of wielding Mjolnir, just like I'm pretty sure none of us can actually use a GL ring except for a few.
Another one of my posts ignored.It's very hard to discuss anything off the assumption that we have the willpower to use it, if you keep repeating "I don't think you have the willpower to use it".
^ Fourth time I bring that up.
You're not worthy of using Mjolnir, but obviously, for the purpose of this thread, we all are. The OP later mentioned transmutation, resurrection, time-travel, etc. Do you still think he intended for us to not be able to replicate Hal's feats? :/
But even under the assumption we can use both of them.
Being able to use a GL ring doesn't mean you'll be good with it. It is a very character specific item based on what the wielder's strengths are. And odds are none of us are going to be any good at it. With Mjolnir if you pick it up you get Thor's physical stats and a good deal of magical power that isn't dependent upon your mental strengths or willpower.
It we're talking about overall power just from a comic book standard they are basically even with the hammer probably getting the raw power output edge and the GL ring getting the versatility edge.
But if we are talking about real world people using them it's enitrely different. Odds are would not be a good Green Lantern even if you were able to use the ring at all.
And I've outlined for you a very simple way of becoming a semi-competent green lantern and deal with just about any danger coming your way.
You keep saying they have specific strengths? What? Kyle's an artist, Hal has nothing, Guy has nothing, John was an architect and so on. Aside from their willpower they are ordinary people. And if you do feel that they have infinite heart, infinite creativity, infinite will, whatever unquantifiable nonsense noun, then that's okay. Because the ring can educate you, and you can just go with the list and prepare.
Or is it that you think we'd get the ring and not be able to do much with it? How? Lacking willpower? Because that's the only thing that matters when it comes to working the ring. Pure willpower, final.
Originally posted by currymanIf you want to boil it down to just pure willpower yes you're lacking as are most people.
And I've outlined for you a very simple way of becoming a semi-competent green lantern and deal with just about any danger coming your way.You keep saying they have specific strengths? What? Kyle's an artist, Hal has nothing, Guy has nothing, John was an architect and so on. Aside from their willpower they are ordinary people. And if you do feel that they have infinite heart, infinite creativity, infinite will, whatever unquantifiable nonsense noun, then that's okay. Because the ring can educate you, and you can just go with the list and prepare.
Or is it that you think we'd get the ring and not be able to do much with it? How? Lacking willpower? Because that's the only thing that matters when it comes to working the ring. Pure willpower, final.
But most Green Lanterns don't just have willpower they have a lot of other stuff. Or did you forget where they can use other Emotional Spectrum rings and be very good with them which shows they have other abilities in abundance. They are comic book characters even if you want to believe they are only ordinary they aren't. They generally do things normal humans can't.
The ring can't educate you to have more talent than you already do. It may be able to do some stuff for you but ultimately it always comes down to the wielder and what they bring to the table to determine how good they are going to be.
What "talent" do you think is required? and which talent is unique to the hundreds of comic-book lanterns that we've seen?
What prevents me from prepping all the stuff I said in advance? And do for a second think that all of the competent lanterns are good because of inborn ability? Kilowog would beat you silly.
Originally posted by leonidas
circle of fire is the arc i was trying to recall. kyle creates (subconsciously) 4 VERY powerful lanterns as oblivion. CRAZY ARSE feat. easily one of the best gl feats ever performed and he did it without even actively performing it.
Yeah, a lot of the pre-crisis stuff is also insane.
For me it's all about the passive bonuses tho. Godly strength and durability vs all the things you can preset your ring to do.