Originally posted by janus77
Savage Hulk already flexed Pre-C Superman into space 😉Don't know much about GA SBP, other than some dubious context-free scans.
Trion Juggernaut never did anything even remotely comparable to WBH levels. I'd say Green Scar would be able to take Trion Juggernaut.
That wasn't PC Superman, and I said at their best. Trion Juggernaut is overhyped that I agree, but SBP and PC Superman and Pc levels no!!
Even SA Mangog and PC Validus would beat the phuck out of WBH
Originally posted by wolverinosWhat, you really want to do this then? Alright
i stated galactus cant use his other powers aside opf his physical ones.i named characters who achieved their power via amp but they dont need keep amping in order to keep it.
superboy prime got the guardian amp however that created a whole new character which is GA SBP.
that character is a character on his own and doesnt need further amping to keep himself that way.galactus physically is strong, but if he goes up against lets say WBH he will get his sh** pushed in physically.
even if physically he is stronger than WBH hypothetically, WBH will be faster than him and WBH has more than enough strength to break his head off with his punches.
its not about who is stronger, its about who is the best brawler and who can beat everybody else in a brawl.
only physically brawling, galactus easily falls to guy such as WBH, GA Prime, Trion Juggernaut, PC Superman, Pc darkeid, PC validus, and i am sure there are more
And Galactus doesn't need farther amping after he eats a planet. In fact, I challenge you to actually find a scan that says Galactus is amping.
Um, no. The human level speed is far below Galacta who is a fraction of Galactus' power. She also did the same thing to Wolverine who is a much faster fighter than Hulk.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/Galacta-pg-26.jpg
Then you have Galactus tagging a Surfer who really does not want to get hit:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/007-SSv375.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/008-SSv375.jpg
Catches Surfer before he can react:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/silversurferv306714ms0.jpg
WBH in no way has enough strength to break his head off... the mere fact that I have to even say that is just terrible in the first place.
Here he tanks a planet/moon being thrown at him when he isn't paying attention along with two abstract level beings in a fight that was destroying at the least the universe:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual033.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual034.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual035.jpg
Tanks a powered up Godblast:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual037.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual038.jpg
Among other feats.
But since we've neutralized Hulk's "advantages", I'll move onto strength
Like I said:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Celestials/FantasticFour_604_020.jpg
Which pretty much beats anything that anyone on your list have done. For some reason I found Darkseid beating Galactus in h2h the funniest. I bet Mongul can take Galactus too...
But since the main focus seems to be on Hulk, I'll bring up something funny about that. Two WB Hulk levels being collide and destroy a couple class 100s, and the Mindless Ones. Obviously the shockwaves alone would take down Galactus, right?
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsRedShe-Hulk06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsRedShe-Hulk07.jpg
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsRedShe-Hulk08.jpg.html
But the problem with that is that Umar was right there tanking every shockwave. Who I shouldn't have to say isn't Galactus level, but what the hell, I'm feeling whimsical.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/ThorAnnual09-31.jpg
Obviously shockwaves aren't the extent of his powers, but it's hard to put him above 'Skyfather' strength when the same thing people think puts him above it, also goes entirely against it. Plus the part where amped Fin Fang Foom was able to take both of their attacks which was even more amped than WB was.
But, GA Prime had a lot of problems with Monarch. Trion Juggs was getting dragged down by a random giant octopus. PC Superman got beaten a couple times by Mongul. I'd like to see the argument for Darkseid's strength.
Validus is the only legit one you posted. And I doubt it to say the least.
I brought up Galactus and IB as a joke. I didn't think anyone actually thought a Hulk could beat him... ugh.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
What, you really want to do this then? AlrightAnd Galactus doesn't need farther amping after he eats a planet. In fact, I challenge you to actually find a scan that says Galactus is amping.
Um, no. The human level speed is far below Galacta who is a fraction of Galactus' power. She also did the same thing to Wolverine who is a much faster fighter than Hulk.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/Galacta-pg-26.jpgThen you have Galactus tagging a Surfer who really does not want to get hit:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/007-SSv375.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/008-SSv375.jpgCatches Surfer before he can react:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/silversurferv306714ms0.jpgWBH in no way has enough strength to break his head off... the mere fact that I have to even say that is just terrible in the first place.
Here he tanks a planet/moon being thrown at him when he isn't paying attention along with two abstract level beings in a fight that was destroying at the least the universe:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual033.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual034.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual035.jpgTanks a powered up Godblast:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual037.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual038.jpgAmong other feats.
But since we've neutralized Hulk's "advantages", I'll move onto strength
Like I said:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Celestials/FantasticFour_604_020.jpgWhich pretty much beats anything that anyone on your list have done. For some reason I found Darkseid beating Galactus in h2h the funniest. I bet Mongul can take Galactus too...
But since the main focus seems to be on Hulk, I'll bring up something funny about that. Two WB Hulk levels being collide and destroy a couple class 100s, and the Mindless Ones. Obviously the shockwaves alone would take down Galactus, right?
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsRedShe-Hulk06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsRedShe-Hulk07.jpg
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsRedShe-Hulk08.jpg.htmlBut the problem with that is that Umar was right there tanking every shockwave. Who I shouldn't have to say isn't Galactus level, but what the hell, I'm feeling whimsical.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/ThorAnnual09-31.jpgObviously shockwaves aren't the extent of his powers, but it's hard to put him above 'Skyfather' strength when the same thing people think puts him above it, also goes entirely against it. Plus the part where amped Fin Fang Foom was able to take both of their attacks which was even more amped than WB was.
But, GA Prime had a lot of problems with Monarch. Trion Juggs was getting dragged down by a random giant octopus. PC Superman got beaten a couple times by Mongul. I'd like to see the argument for Darkseid's strength.
Validus is the only legit one you posted. And I doubt it to say the least.
I brought up Galactus and IB as a joke. I didn't think anyone actually thought a Hulk could beat him... ugh.
LOL. I can't believe that you actually devoted time and effort (however minute) to this...
Re: Who is the Ultime Brawler???
Originally posted by wolverinos
i think its time we make up our mind, who is the ultimate brawler in the comics universe?
i wont make a list because maybe you guys know someone i dont know.
pick up anyone from any comics, but remember its only brawling no powers.
guys like Hulk(any version)
superman (any version)
Thor(any version) atc atc...
so lets see now who is the comics universe Ultimate Brawler!!!
Superman and Hulk.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
What, you really want to do this then? AlrightAnd Galactus doesn't need farther amping after he eats a planet. In fact, I challenge you to actually find a scan that says Galactus is amping.
Um, no. The human level speed is far below Galacta who is a fraction of Galactus' power. She also did the same thing to Wolverine who is a much faster fighter than Hulk.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Mind%20and%20Senses/Galacta-pg-26.jpgThen you have Galactus tagging a Surfer who really does not want to get hit:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/007-SSv375.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/008-SSv375.jpgCatches Surfer before he can react:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/silversurferv306714ms0.jpgWBH in no way has enough strength to break his head off... the mere fact that I have to even say that is just terrible in the first place.
Here he tanks a planet/moon being thrown at him when he isn't paying attention along with two abstract level beings in a fight that was destroying at the least the universe:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual033.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual034.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual035.jpgTanks a powered up Godblast:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual037.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual038.jpgAmong other feats.
But since we've neutralized Hulk's "advantages", I'll move onto strength
Like I said:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Celestials/FantasticFour_604_020.jpgWhich pretty much beats anything that anyone on your list have done. For some reason I found Darkseid beating Galactus in h2h the funniest. I bet Mongul can take Galactus too...
But since the main focus seems to be on Hulk, I'll bring up something funny about that. Two WB Hulk levels being collide and destroy a couple class 100s, and the Mindless Ones. Obviously the shockwaves alone would take down Galactus, right?
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsRedShe-Hulk06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsRedShe-Hulk07.jpg
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Hulk%20Fights%20N-S/HulkvsRedShe-Hulk08.jpg.htmlBut the problem with that is that Umar was right there tanking every shockwave. Who I shouldn't have to say isn't Galactus level, but what the hell, I'm feeling whimsical.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/ThorAnnual09-31.jpgObviously shockwaves aren't the extent of his powers, but it's hard to put him above 'Skyfather' strength when the same thing people think puts him above it, also goes entirely against it. Plus the part where amped Fin Fang Foom was able to take both of their attacks which was even more amped than WB was.
But, GA Prime had a lot of problems with Monarch. Trion Juggs was getting dragged down by a random giant octopus. PC Superman got beaten a couple times by Mongul. I'd like to see the argument for Darkseid's strength.
Validus is the only legit one you posted. And I doubt it to say the least.
I brought up Galactus and IB as a joke. I didn't think anyone actually thought a Hulk could beat him... ugh.
reading comprehension? i never said galactus amp himself, i said he cant use his powers aside of his physical ones and he cant amp them.
this means galactus on average not after he is well feed, galactus after well feed is the same galactus only amped, because eating a planet amps him, therefor its an amp.
human level speed is faaarrrr below suprboy prime, superman, black adam, even hulk... so whats you point?
sorry it doesnt work that way, you bring me some chick that has some degree of galactus powers and then you claim everything she does is <<<<< galactus because of that fact? wtf? wolverine has 0.000001% of galactus power, that means that galactus is 10000000% faster than him? not a bright logic.
galactus being able to tag surfer who was physically very close to him and wasnt moving is not impressive.
on average when ever the f4 or others fought galactus he couldnt tag them and was a giant slow poke to them, of course he was able to suprisingly tag surfer with that huge hand while being extremely close to him and surfer was standing still Lol.
thats only a speculation from your side.
WBH came to such power levels an impact of his punches destroyed a dimension, planet, and herald level beings.
galactus was put on his ass by thing and zeus so...
you like to speculate galactus cant be hurt by those punches? i will argue he will.
getting a moon thrown at him <<<< hulks punch that can destroy planets, dimensions, and heralds with only the shockwaves of the impact.
godblast? how strong is a godblast anyway? the godblast comes with different levels of power, once it gets shrugged and laghed at by juggernaut, other time it hurts a hungry galactus.
the goblast cant be a real factor because its not steady.
as i explained again galactus tearing a celestial in half shows a good amount of physical power, does it mean he is fast enough to tag guys like GA SBP? ANY version of superman? even hulk? i doubt that.
does his physical strength means those guys cant physically hurt him? doubt that.
so Umar tanked shockwaves comming from a good distance of hulks punch? that means she can tank his punch? and where is the feats that show us a comparison between her own durability and galactus? i am not bying this "galactus is more powerful so he is by far more durable", remember galactus is using his shields and energies to amp his durability, strength, speed, anything he wants.
but at base level with no amping it doesnt work that way.
GA SBP didnt have problems with monarch, monarch at that point was > average galactus with no amping abilities.
and sbp without the guardian amp took a universal blast so...
Trion juggernaut with a single punch broke thru several dimensions so that tells us a lot about his punching power.
all the PC characters were not stable, but their high end feats are loonitic crazy.
Originally posted by wolverinos
Lots of stuff I don't agree with
So you're of the opinion that we should be using Hulk, Prime, and Trion Juggernaut, who are severely amped, but we should use Galactus when he is literally weaker?
How does that make any sense to you?
Galactus isn't amped when he eats, that's ridiculous. Galactus is operating at his normal or full power when he eats. Per forum rules even, which I'm guessing you've been on the receiving end a couple times of those pesky rules...
But what you're saying is so illogical and nonsensical that there's no way you could expect anyone to follow you.
"Hulk should be amped, but Galactus being fed counts as an amp so he can't eat"
Like I said and you ignored, Wolverine's speed however isn't. Well to Hulk anyway. If she can perceive Wolverine in a way that he's a statue, then Hulk isn't moving much faster.
Well yeah, Galactus is that much faster than Wolverine... but anyway...
She is Galactus' daughter. Everything she did in that series she said she only could do at a fraction of Galactus' power.
And you ignored the part where she stated "Human cognitive level clockspeed", and "Their grindingly slow timescale". Unless you think Galacta operates in a higher timescale than her father who is way more powerful than her.
And you ignored the section where Surfer was moving. Galactus tagged him while Surfer was actively trying to get out of the way of him. I can see why you'd ignore this because well... it destroys everything you said.
As for the second part. Galactus hit Surfer before Surfer could react or do anything. Who I shouldn't have to say is much faster than Hulk.
And Hulk will just be jumping in one direction at far slower speeds than Surfer anyway. Something like this:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/SecretWars09-20.jpg
You'll notice that Hulk was way too fast for Galactus there.
And have you ever actually seen the Galactus/F4 fights? Here's some funny ones with Torch who I presume is the one he has problems with:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/FantasticFour49-04.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/FantasticFour49-05.jpg
(Surfer)
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/Fantastic_Four_122_04.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/Fantastic_Four_122_11.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/Fantastic_Four_122_21.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights%202/Heroes/Fantastic_Four_122_22.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/fantasticfour51919zt4.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Heralds/fantasticfour51920oa7.jpg
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/media/Heralds/fantasticfour51921nk9.jpg.html
It's mere speculation that WBH can't break Galactus' head off on my part? OK. I only just showed Galactus taking shots from two abstract level beings in a fight that Oblivion thought was going to end everything that the Chaos King couldn't.
He has never been hurt by Thing. He's only been dragged down by him. And he took two punches from Zeus before a Thunderbolt, and he took those two punches way better than Hulk did.
But of course, Galactus was weak everytime he's ever fought Thing, and he was weak when he fought Zeus too. By weak, I mean he didn't eat. As well as Chaos King was amping Zeus and CK's entire army was in Zeus at the time.
And WBH did not in any way destroy a dimension. Stop lying. And none of the characters he destroyed were herald level.
Like I said, the moon bounced off him to no effect. Although I'd like to see Hulk simply tank a moon being thrown at him by an abstract level being.
It can't be a factor because it's not steady? You mean like... PC characters?
But the Juggernaut feat was its lowest feat, and that was at a time when Thor would experience a sickness that made him weaker although he still stopped Juggernaut... Other than that, it took down a hungry Galactus, blew through Exitar's inner shell which was more durable than his outer, and blew through Zelia who was empowered by Odin and all of the Dark Gods, and she on her own was Odin level.
And the one he fired against Galactus like I said, was an amped one. Which weaker ones have been proven to be far above Hulk's damage output... unless you believe WBH can rip through a being with Odin's level of power, Odin's actual power, and an entire race of Dark Gods inside her. Which you probably do, so stupid question on my part.
What I find funny is that you think Galactus can tear a Celestial in half, yet you think WBH should be able to punch his head off. What kind of logical conclusion is that?
Considering I just showed him tanking a Godblast along with him also tanking two abstracts...
I mean, I could also show the In-Betweener fight I guess where he shows immense durability...
http://s238.photobucket.com/user/Branlactus/library/Fights/In-Betweener?sort=6&page=1
But really, you think he's just a glass canon who can rip Celestials in half but get his head torn off by Hulk. So what's the point?
I realize she did this from a "safe" distance, but considering Hulk's shockwaves are the thing that's always brought up (even by you in this exact post), it seems like a neat thing to bring up. Also lol at you for thinking he destroyed a dimension, but Umar was at a safe distance. She was on the planet.
But I just showed you Galactus taking a Godblast while Umar collapses from a hammer hit. Do you not figure there's a correlation there? Here, let's go with the exact same thing then. Here Galactus tanks a hammer hit to the face:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Fights/Scrier%20and%20Other/ThorAnnual036.jpg
There you go with the amping shit again. Here is two at ends points in the very same post:
Originally posted by wolverinos
reading comprehension? i never said galactus amp himself, i said he cant use his powers aside of his physical ones and he cant amp them....
remember galactus is using his shields and energies to amp his durability, strength, speed, anything he wants.
but at base level with no amping it doesnt work that way.
Reading comprehension indeed. But anyway, like I said before. I challenge you to find a scan that says Galactus is amping himself.
Originally posted by wolverinosHe sure as the hell did have problems with Monarch. He was losing that fight until he ripped his armor open.
GA SBP didnt have problems with monarch, monarch at that point was > average galactus with no amping abilities.
and sbp without the guardian amp took a universal blast so...Trion juggernaut with a single punch broke thru several dimensions so that tells us a lot about his punching power.
all the PC characters were not stable, but their high end feats are loonitic crazy.
The blast was a big chain reaction with no real feats of destroying anything, or anyone important. Hell, it didn't even destroy the actual universe, or even the planet the fight happened on apparently...
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15996626/Countdown13p02.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15996542/Superman_Beyond_01_Page_017.jpg.html
And SBP without the Guardian Amp got knocked out by the Teen Titants. And even the Thor level Hyperion took two actual universes blowing up entirely.
Because it's a good thing you brought up Thing "beating up" Galactus isn't it. 🙂
And he was getting wrestled down by a giant octopus.
But didn't Red She Hulk punch through dimensions in Fall of Hulks? Thor and Herc collapsed a dimensional portal by punching each other as well.
Besides, Galactus just ripped a dimensional tear from 616 to Ultimate wide open.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Hunger001-015.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Hunger001-016.jpg
Well you sure convinced me with those sexy facts about the PC Verse. I guess I just can't deny how balls off the walls they are.
