Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm Catholic, but thankfully I don't have to be lumped in with anyone that tries to force their views on others in an attempt to make little of people.
You take the label, you take the heat.
Like most Christians and Catholics, you seem to be rather hypocritical in saying you are Catholic but not like the other brand of Catholic.
Regards
DL
Re: Are you sure you want to be a Catholic?
Originally posted by Okieshowedem
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/8/prweb10987248.htmOkie
Catholics will not give a damn about any criticism.
All Christians live in a hypocritical bubble.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Greatest I am
You take the label, you take the heat.Like most Christians and Catholics, you seem to be rather hypocritical in saying you are Catholic but not like the other brand of Catholic.
Regards
DL
lol, no.
Nice of you to try to tar anyone who identifies as catholic all with the same brush, though. Is there a reason you're so openly hostile and judgmental?
Originally posted by -Pr-
lol, no.Nice of you to try to tar anyone who identifies as catholic all with the same brush, though. Is there a reason you're so openly hostile and judgmental?
Yes. Have a look at what you support.
It is my view that all literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are moral religionists as well as those who do not believe. They all hurt their parent religions and everyone else who has a belief or not. They make us all into laughing stocks and should rethink their position. There is a Godhead but not the God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution. Beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic are evil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKHaClUCw4&feature=PlayList&p=5123864A5243470E&index=0&playnext=1
They also do much harm to their own.
African witches and Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI&feature=related
Jesus Camp 1of 9
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=48b_1185215493
Death to Gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Zg_BVzw&feature=related
For evil to grow my friends, all good people need do is nothing.
Fight them when you can my friend. It is your duty to our fellow man.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Greatest I am
It is my view that all literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are moral religionists as well as those who do not believe. They all hurt their parent religions and everyone else who has a belief or not. They make us all into laughing stocks and should rethink their position. There is a Godhead but not the God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution. Beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic are evil.
you don't feel that sweeping generalizations of potentially billions of people sounds a little fundamentalist in itself? I mean, it is the extremists in general who spend their time decreeing who is or isn't part of their religion, what there religion does or does not support, or brandishing accusations of evil. Moderates, like Pr, would tend to be more interested with what their faith means to themselves, not sticking their noses into other people's personal relationship with the divine.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Ha, that's basically what my mother said when she read the God Delusion.
I can't stand Dawkins at the best of times, tbh.
I mean, I like that he stands up for what he believes in (and I do think that people need to not let themselves be brainwashed by any sort of religious organisation), but I just wish he didn't come across as such an insufferable **** most of the time.
Greatest I Am isn't stating his case well at all. But I do think there's a nugget to be gained from his train of thought. Allow me to try...
My sister is Catholic. She fully supports gay marriage as non-sinful behavior. While trying to be as PC as possible, the Catholic Church still officially recognizes homosexual acts as sin.
Now, does my sister believe that interpretation? No. But she supports an organization that believes it, and that bases their doctrine and policies around it. In this case, I'd definitely say there's a level of personal responsibility to be associated with this kind of tacit endorsement.
Of course, Catholicism isn't the biggest culprit here. I use it only for a convenient example.
Second point: first of all, the videos GIA posted are evangelical extremists. Things like the Jesus Camps are the extremist exception, not the rule, and not a damnation of moderate Christianity. But there's a deeper problem that relates to such extremism. For such extremism to exist, it must be within a culture that will allow it to function and thrive. Now let's say that Joe Christian is at a 4 on "severity" of belief. The Jesus Camp people are a 10. And an average member of Joe's church congregation is a 6 or 7. In an institution where faith is rewarded, and faith despite evidence or even in the face of evidence is praised, for something as delusional as the Jesus Camps to gain traction, they must exist in a culture that will allow more moderate levels of the same factors to go unquestioned. Because the beliefs are no less ridiculous, and the articles of faith and doctrine are largely similar between Christian denominations. The only difference is severity.
Someone who is a "4" can easily dismiss a "10" as wrong and extremist, but I have rarely, if ever, seen someone truly scrutinize the "4s" contribution to the "10s". Or rather, the lower numbers providing a cultural climate that allows more extreme versions of the same faith to take root.
The exception I could see to all of this is someone to whom belief is almost entirely internalized. As soon as you're part of the larger religious movement - in any form - imo you're part of the extremism problem.