Are you sure you want to be a Catholic?

Originally posted by Greatest I am
I agree. Proving that only religion will cause good people to do evil things.

well, no, that would mean you disagree.

Originally posted by Greatest I am
I feel quite comfortable telling billions they are foolish when they are doing foolish things.

you said evil, not foolish, though it is the same lack of mental flexibility seen in extremists either way.

also, beware when fighting monsters and all that. The abyss is staring back into you.

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Do you let the numbers against what you say shut you up?

which numbers? Generally yes, if someone shows me valid empirical data that proves me wrong, I would change my position.

so what empirical data do you have against my points?

Originally posted by Greatest I am
If you do then you would be a coward so why would you suggest I do the cowardly thing and allow my speech to be silenced just because many do not agree?

That is entirely unrelated to what I said in fact... I called you the same type of extremist you were criticizing, I have no interest in you stopping such behaviour. You are both welcome and encouraged to continue making hypocritical statements against religious people, trust me, you have my blessings.

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Are you a Christian?
Do you fight it?

Regards
DL

I don't identify as Christian, no, even if that is the technical term.

Define "fight it", please.

Originally posted by Greatest I am
If you go to church and or put cash in the basket or call yourself a Christian then you are part of the problem and not a part of the solution.

Regards
DL

I don't do any of those things.

So I guess you think even identifying as catholic is a "problem" then?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Define "fight it", please.

1. Get a tattoo of Jesus on your dick.
2. Ask girls if they'd like to know what it feels like to have Jesus enter their body
3. ???
4. PROPHET.

uhuh

You identify as Catholic but not Christian?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You identify as Catholic but not Christian?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You identify as Catholic but not Christian?

I know that by definition all Catholics are Christians. In Ireland it's just not something that was ever really an issue. If you ask me what my faith is (well, what little faith I have), I identify as Catholic.

I know the implication is that it means I'm a Christian, I just don't think about it that much. That, and I really don't want to be associated with the kind of Christians that exist in North America. It's very different on this side of the world, tbh.

They are scary to begin with 😐

Originally posted by Bentley
They are scary to begin with 😐

They are. 🙁

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's an outright stupid thing to say.

No. These are though.

“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”

“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”
Martin Luther “

“If a woman grows weary and, at last, dies from childbearing, it matters not. Let her die from bearing - she is there to do it.”
- Martin Luther

I especially like this one.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Voltaire

I have more. Shall I print them for you?

Regards
DL

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't identify as Christian, no, even if that is the technical term.

Define "fight it", please.

I don't do any of those things.

So I guess you think even identifying as catholic is a "problem" then?

Yes. It denotes a person whose morals have been compromised.

Note that you ask how to fight evil when agood man would certainly know how.

Christians have to embrace the notion that human sacrifice is good so that they can ride their scapegoat Jesus into heaven. They forget that that goat goes to hell.

I am not an atheist but Satan and Christians want atheists to embrace barbaric human sacrifice and the notion that we should profit from punishing the innocent instead of the guilty and here you are preaching for him. Shame on you.

In reality, if God did demand such a barbaric sacrifice, he would be sinning.
He would know that barbaric human sacrifice is immoral.

You do too. Right?

Those with good morals will know that no noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a so called son just to prove it's benevolence.

When you die, Satan will ask you; How was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?

When you say yes, you become his.

Regards
DL

So you presume to question my morals simply because I identify as being Catholic?

Not to mention the insane presumptions you make about my attitudes.

Really?

Originally posted by Greatest I am
I have more. Shall I print them for you?

The premise "Some X are Y" does not lead to "All not-X are not-Y", nor does self-righteousness convince me of anything rhetorically. You failed logos and pathos which is undermining your ethos. Aristotle would be very sad.

Originally posted by Greatest I am
No. These are though.

“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”

“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”
Martin Luther “

“If a woman grows weary and, at last, dies from childbearing, it matters not. Let her die from bearing - she is there to do it.”
- Martin Luther

I especially like this one.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Voltaire

I have more. Shall I print them for you?

Regards
DL

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Reason is apparently your greatest enemy as well.

Heh.

I do somewhat agree with what "Greatest I Am" possibly means (maybe, who knows). On some of the negative influences of the Catholic church for example. Like PR said, it's not really noticeable in Western Europe, the influences aren't particularly strong, if anything the faith has fit itself into secular humanist belief systems here, however a lot of the Catholic doctrine has immense negative effect in developing nations, and in some form a lot of it is supported by Western money (in Germany at least quite literally, as there is a church tax).

Originally posted by Bardock42
I do somewhat agree with what "Greatest I Am" possibly means (maybe, who knows). On some of the negative influences of the Catholic church for example. Like PR said, it's not really noticeable in Western Europe, the influences aren't particularly strong, if anything the faith has fit itself into secular humanist belief systems here, however a lot of the Catholic doctrine has immense negative effect in developing nations, and in some form a lot of it is supported by Western money (in Germany at least quite literally, as there is a church tax).

Agreed @ developing nations; it's sad how bad shit is getting in some places.

Originally posted by Greatest I am
No. These are though.

“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”

“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”
Martin Luther “

“If a woman grows weary and, at last, dies from childbearing, it matters not. Let her die from bearing - she is there to do it.”
- Martin Luther

I especially like this one.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Voltaire

I have more. Shall I print them for you?

Regards
DL

You stick it to all those Lutherans, mang. That'll teach them!

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Voltaire

You know Voltaire believed in God, yes? And was a great supporter of the same religious tolerance you are combating?

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Note that you ask how to fight evil when agood man would certainly know how.

that can only be true if your ideas about good and evil are less nuanced than a Disney movie.

I'd throw the fighting monsters and abyss quote at you again, but I'm sure you aren't getting the picture and it's a bit self indulgent at this point.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I know that by definition all Catholics are Christians. In Ireland it's just not something that was ever really an issue. If you ask me what my faith is (well, what little faith I have), I identify as Catholic.

Man, interesting point. I get it, just without the same context, would have never made that Catholic/Christian distinction...

I guess even, what, 50 years ago in NA it would have been a major distinction too...

Originally posted by Oliver North
Man, interesting point. I get it, just without the same context, would have never made that Catholic/Christian distinction...

I guess even, what, 50 years ago in NA it would have been a major distinction too...

I honestly don't know exactly how it is in America bar what I read on Reddit and the like. I just know that, for as long as I can remember, Ireland has considered itself a Catholic nation. On the census, and in general, Catholic (or, more precisely, Roman Catholic) is what any person of that faith would identify themselves as (and that's most of the country). We just never really used the word "Christian" and for the longest time, I actually thought they were somewhat separate.

Then again, we're a pretty progressive nation in the sense that, as much influence as the church used to have, Ireland has done something of a 180. Abortion is now legal in certain circumstances, our PM basically flipped off the Vatican, and a referendum is planned for next year concerning gay marriage.

We might be, for the most part, a Catholic nation, but it doesn't influence things it really shouldn't for the most part, which is nice.