Originally posted by JayDaDon
How will he do that? He would be surrounded by pretty much an ocean of aliens.
No, poster of the thread specified a pyramid.
Zack clarified with a horde of aliens scaling the outside walls, combatant presumably atop the pyramid (Wolverine), poster of the thread did not dispute.
So you've essentially got a house of cards structure waiting for Logan to strategically topple at various points and make it down the outside walls and out to safety. THAT I can see him do, especially given he's cut his way through the steel hulls of cargo ships and the like decades before now.
He's definitely got to play it careful, though ...
Originally posted by Zack Fair
lolAnyways I am assuming this is what cdtm had in mind:
If thats the case I don't see how Logan can pull it off.
Well this is what I had in mind from what the OP said. He hasn't really clarified so I figured this was the scenario he meant, which is pretty much an ocean of aliens rising up towards the pyramid.
Originally posted by bluewaterriderPyramids aren't exactly houses of cards... that can be toppled by snikity-snikts... 😕
No, poster of the thread specified a pyramid.
Zack clarified with a horde of aliens scaling the outside walls, combatant presumably atop the pyramid (Wolverine), poster of the thread did not dispute.So you've essentially got a house of cards structure waiting for Logan to strategically topple at various points and make it down the outside walls and out to safety. THAT I can see him do, especially given he's cut his way through the steel hulls of cargo ships and the like decades before now.
He's definitely got to play it careful, though ...
Originally posted by ODG
Pyramids aren't exactly houses of cards... that can be toppled by snikity-snikts... 😕
I'm not sure you understand how powerful Wolverine's "snikity-snikts" actually ARE when he uses them strategically.
Then again, it's far from clear you realize how capable and deadly Wolverine can be WITHOUT his claws, either.
Here, let's start you off with the following.
I can't find the showing of Wolverine slashing open the hull of that ship mentioned before to make the point. (Think that happened in the "Bloody Choices" arc? I don't have it at the moment, though.)
But I did find the following, relevant because Wolverine will certainly be able to find fair amounts of debris in the type of Central American pyramid we've seen in the scans presented so far in this thread:
There's also the following to go with that scene.
Note I am NOT suggesting Wolverine is going to be pulling trees out of our pyramid, rather that he has the strength to pick up extremely heavy objects, objects too heavy for all but the strongest men in the world, arguably, and swing them around and manipulate them as if they were merely large baseballs and bats.
Originally posted by carver9
If the OP didn't specify where the battle is taking place then we go by the rules which means it will be in a featureless environment. Its going to be nothing but aliens and Wolverine which means he is surrounded, no where to hide.
The original poster DID specify where the battle is taking place, though.
Right in his very first post:
Originally posted by cdtm
Lets say Logan's dropped in the middle of the location of a pyrimid swarming with aliens, and a queen, and has to fight his way out ...
Originally posted by Zack Fair
He is screwed. He will take his fair share of aliens, but his adamantium claws will be a double edged sword. He will cut through them like butter, but the acid will **** him up and the aliens will overwhelm him.
Having alluded to one of his many skirmishes with Rogue, it might be a good time to point out that claws are not the only thing Wolverine can fight with, even assuming NO other available resources, which ISN'T actually the case in this scenario match-up.
Nothing was said about Wolverine needing to KILL each and every enemy.
Merely fight his way to safety.
He certainly doesn't need to rely solely on his claws to achieve THAT much, not if the strength level he displays here is any indication:
Blue,
He is at the "middle" of the temple. How in the world is he getting past all of those aliens? He cant flying and he isn't leaping like the Hulk. Lol, and a tree isn't stopping thousands of Aliens, especially if he is surrounded. OMG. I'm a Wolverine fan and I wouldn't think twice about him winning this.
Originally posted by carver9
Blue,He is at the "middle" of the temple. How in the world is he getting past all of those aliens? He cant flying and he isn't leaping like the Hulk. Lol, and a tree isn't stopping thousands of Aliens, especially if he is surrounded. OMG. I'm a Wolverine fan and I wouldn't think twice about him winning this.
My understanding, based on the clips and pictures shown, is that Wolverine is at the top of this pyramid and merely trying to figure out someway to eventually get himself down to the bottom and away to safety.
That I believe he can do, namely because his strength is a lot greater than most people realize, he is NOT limited to fighting solely with his claws, the aliens do NOT individually (with the exception of that Queen) have strength dwarfing or even equalling his own, and he has decades of fighting experience to draw on.
Add to that the imagination he's shown in battles, speed that borders on the superhuman, adamantium claws, AND a healing factor that could endure Nitro's blast and come back to win ...
Yeah, I think he could do it. The strategic Wolverine introduced to me in the X-Men comics at least. Don't know about the one from the movies ...
Originally posted by bluewaterriderI can't follow your train of thought at all. A pyramid isn't a house of cards. It's just a gargantuan pile of stone blocks stacked on top of each other. It's not like there are load-bearing support beams he can conveniently topple that will make a section of the pyramid crumble.
I'm not sure you understand how powerful Wolverine's "snikity-snikts" actually ARE when he uses them strategically.Then again, it's far from clear you realize how capable and deadly Wolverine can be WITHOUT his claws, either.
Here, let's start you off with the following.
I can't find the showing of Wolverine slashing open the hull of that ship mentioned before to make the point. (Think that happened in the "Bloody Choices" arc? I don't have it at the moment, though.)But I did find the following, relevant because Wolverine will certainly be able to find fair amounts of debris in the type of Central American pyramid we've seen in the scans presented so far in this thread:
Wolverine trying to cut pieces of pyramid blocks, so he can kick em at the xenomorphs strikes me as a completely wasted effort.
Originally posted by ODG
I can't follow your train of thought at all. A pyramid isn't a house of cards. It's just a gargantuan pile of stone blocks stacked on top of each other. It's not like there are load-bearing support beams he can conveniently topple that will make a section of the pyramid crumble.Wolverine trying to cut pieces of pyramid blocks, so he can kick em at the xenomorphs strikes me as a completely wasted effort.
1) Pyramids have interior rooms, so they can't be solid stone all the way through, as you seem to think.
2) You don't follow the train of thought because you're not trying to accomplish the main objective, which is to have Wolverine intelligently make his way to safety. It is NOT, as someone earlier pointed out, to have Wolverine try to kill every last one of a thousand or more aliens. He fights only what he needs to in order to get out alive.
3) I'm guessing you imagine Wolverine does the stone-cutting and kicking I'm alluding to at a snail's pace. Most people, not knowing how fast and strong Wolverine is, hardly to mention how sharp those claws are, might assume the same thing. But Wolverine has performed actions of that sort so swiftly that even Angel could not match his speed. Observe: