Originally posted by Bardock42
I think someone could easily read your joke and think "YEAH! That's true, I don't have power over women, oppression of women is bullshit". And that potential reader should know that they are wrong.
Anyone who thinks I was stating that women aren't oppressed would be a silly billy.
That said, for the sake of argument I think oppression when it comes to women in western society is somewhat overstated (if even a little), but that's me.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Anyone who thinks I was stating that women aren't oppressed would be a silly billy.That said, for the sake of argument I think oppression when it comes to women in western society is somewhat overstated (if even a little), but that's me.
I am certain there would be a fair amount of people that would take it as more affirmation of their preconceived notions.
Overstated by whom? Surely not mainstream media outlets, though, and consequently the general public.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I am certain there would be a fair amount of people that would take it as more affirmation of their preconceived notions.Overstated by whom? Surely not mainstream media outlets, though, and consequently the general public.
Silly billies, then.
I disagree on that point tbh, but I really don't want to get in to a long, drawn out debate over it.
Originally posted by Astner
If women have the same rights and men then they're not oppressed. So that leaves out a few Middle Eastern countries. Now how did you come to the conclusion that most of them are oppressed?
You underlined the wrong part of my post while picking a specific element out.
I'll add some emphasis to better make my point:
Divorce can be good if it is viewed from the perspective of "women are oppressed in most of the world and, therefore, do not have fair access to divorces: socially, legally, and financially."
Basically, I am saying you cannot focus on one element of that point because it needs its whole self to make sense.
If you focus on just the legal part, you end up with points like yours. If you focus on just the social part, it forgets the money and legal part.
Equality under the law does not exist, now, in most countries. Nor does gender equality exist socially or financially.
Originally posted by -Pr-
lol.I'd been basically branded a sexist/misogynist in that thread already, so iirc I wasn't keen on continuing any further.
Despite my seemingly pro-feminist posts, I am not a feminist. I agree more with your perspective than Bardock's. I think the "women are oppressed in the US" is mostly bullshit, depending on the particular area you'd like to focus on.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You underlined the wrong part of my post while picking a specific element out.I'll add some emphasis to better make my point:
Basically, I am saying you cannot focus on one element of that point because it needs its whole self to make sense.
If you focus on just the legal part, you end up with points like yours. If you focus on just the social part, it forgets the money and legal part.
Equality under the law does not exist, now, in most countries. Nor does gender equality exist socially or financially.
Despite my seemingly pro-feminist posts, I am not a feminist. I agree more with your perspective than Bardock's. I think the "women are oppressed in the US" is mostly bullshit, depending on the particular area you'd like to focus on.
TBH, I think women are oppressed in some areas. I just think that in some areas, men are oppressed too, so it's in each other's interests to help each other out, and to stop making enemies of one another.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Despite my seemingly pro-feminist posts, I am not a feminist. I agree more with your perspective than Bardock's. I think the "women are oppressed in the US" is mostly bullshit, depending on the particular area you'd like to focus on.
I do consider myself a feminist and I'd take -Pr-'s side to an extent on this issue.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I do consider myself a feminist and I'd take -Pr-'s side to an extent on this issue.
To what extent?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Despite my seemingly pro-feminist posts, I am not a feminist.
lol
Originally posted by -Pr-
TBH, I think women are oppressed in some areas. I just think that in some areas, men are oppressed too, so it's in each other's interests to help each other out, and to stop making enemies of one another.
Of course men are oppressed by patriarchal gender norms as well. Again, the only one speaking up in any meaningful way about the oppression of men are feminists. The only one doing anything about it are feminists.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Of course men are oppressed by patriarchal gender norms as well. Again, the only one speaking up in any meaningful way about the oppression of men are feminists. The only one doing anything about it are feminists.
I don't agree completely, but then again, I don't want to get in to some long debate about it, because I can tell that we're not going to agree with each other.
I'm in the middle of waiting for Old Republic to finish updating, and that takes priority over long posts. 😛