Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Mace takes it via being able to compete with sids, something there's no reason to think Tenenbrous can replicate.
The usual. Debunked stances being spammed. I've proven that Mace cannot compete with Sidious. It's pretty simple. The movie contradicts it when it depicts Sidious having Mace at his mercy fifteen seconds into the fight, and Mace barely reacting to Sidious with the help of Kit Fisto.
The novel also shows how a massively amped Mace (as stated in the novel) was losing to Palpatine pretty hard when the Dark Lord fired Lightning, and Mace only survived because Palpatine feigned weakness to Anakin, which is indeed stated in Homing Beacon I think it was.
Palpatine can stomp baseline Mace as of ROTS. I'm not 200% opposed to a case for Windu, but I am 200% opposed to a case for Mace based on that quote that has been torn to shreds.
Originally posted by thesithmaster
The usual. Debunked stances being spammed. I've proven that Mace cannot compete with Sidious. It's pretty simple. The movie contradicts it when it depicts Sidious having Mace at his mercy fifteen seconds into the fight, and Mace barely reacting to Sidious with the help of Kit Fisto.
The novel also shows how a massively amped Mace (as stated in the novel) was losing to Palpatine pretty hard when the Dark Lord fired Lightning, and Mace only survived because Palpatine feigned weakness to Anakin, which is indeed stated in Homing Beacon I think it was.
Palpatine can stomp baseline Mace as of ROTS. I'm not 200% opposed to a case for Windu, but I am 200% opposed to a case for Mace based on that quote that has been torn to shreds.
But... it's... Lucas's quote. And a pretty clear one at that (with the exception of the Anakin bit right after, which isn't as clear cut).
Originally posted by MythLord
Honestly, the "compete with Sidious" quote is likely to apply in terms of pure saber combat, which I think Tenebrous can definitely replicate.
Sidious had the tip of his blade milimeters away from Mace's chest when both combatants were stopped fifteen seconds into the fight... not seeing unamped Mace's competition with Sidious if Sidious could have killed Mace in fifteen seconds.
Originally posted by MythLord
Honestly, the "compete with Sidious" quote is likely to apply in terms of pure saber combat, which I think Tenebrous can definitely replicate.
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Plus, I doubt Sidious could replicate his choking of Dooku, someone who should be either a peer or in the general range of power of Windu, against Tenebrous.