Originally posted by Taay'haiWell tell me why Anakin didn't use the high ground to his advantage in the first place? If Anakin/Vader was obviously the superior fighter, it shouldn't have come down to a matter of high ground in the first place.
Obi-Wan may have won their fight, but only with a high ground and knowledge of his moves inside-out. Were it not for the high ground and his bloodlusted state, Anakin could've taken Kenobi.
And Anakin would know as much of Obi Wan's moves as Obi Wan does Anakin.
Originally posted by mnat801No in Dooku's last fight it's stated somewhere that Dooku realised Kenobi could overwhelm him hence throwing him over the room and trapping him so he can't get anywhere. The better evidence that Kenobi could defeat Dooku is the fact that he could defeat Sith Anakin.
What the heck? You think Kenobi can beat Dooku?
He got completely humiliated by him. Twice.
Originally posted by mnat801
The better evidence that Kenobi could defeat Dooku is the fact that he could defeat Sith Anakin.
I cant't believe...
As movie already shown, Dooku was faster, more skillful and more powerful then Kenobi.
"You won't get away this time, Dooku," Obi-Wan said. He and Obi-Wan
ignited their blue-bladed light-sabers and advanced on Dooku, who ignited his own red-bladed weapon. The beams of their lightsabers hummed and clashed as they moved across the chamber. Dooku defended himself effortlessly."
The two droids fired at Obi-Wan, but he batted their fired energy bolts back at them and cut them down as he moved fast for Dooku. Unfortunately, Dooku moved faster, extending his left hand toward Obi-Wan as he used the Force to lift the Jedi off his feet while at the same time constricting his throat. As Obi-Wan gasped, Anakin swung at Dooku from behind, but Dooku kicked Anakin's stomach with his left foot, smashing the young Jedi against a nearby wall.
Quotes from "Rise and Fall of Darth Vader", which is more consistent with the movie, then ROTS novel.
But even in this stupid ROTS novel Kenobi lost to Dooku. But wait! he lost to him in pure saber fight (I mean Dooku didn't even use force choke!).
Dooku was one or two leagues above Kenobi. Just like Mace, Yoda, Sidious, Plagueis, and even Anakin. Kenobi was able to beat Anakin only because he knows him perfectly, and Anakin was so stupid during the fight with Kenobi. But his skill was far superior.
Originally posted by mnat801
[B]There is evidence that he can compete with Mace per defeating Dooku, but no concrete evidence he can definitely beat him.
He has no reasonable chance of defeating Windu.
His "in teh zone" moment against Dooku was a one-time, haxxed harnessing of the dark side while somehow maintaining a crystal clear head, and there's no evidence that he can turn it on at will. At baseline, Dooku seems capable of handling him with moderate difficulty.
And with Windu's vaapad, going "dark side in the zone" might even hurt him.
No in Dooku's last fight it's stated somewhere that Dooku realised Kenobi could overwhelm him hence throwing him over the room and trapping him so he can't get anywhere. The better evidence that Kenobi could defeat Dooku is the fact that he could defeat Sith Anakin.
Um, except that Dooku casually dispatches Kenobi with a Force choke, and tosses him like a rag-doll across the room...
Originally posted by ZettIn terms of canon, movies > novels. Dooku dispatched Kenobi with the force VERY EARLY in the fight, that indicates to me that he's the harder competition.
I cant't believe...As movie already shown, Dooku was faster, more skillful and more powerful then Kenobi.
"You won't get away this time, Dooku," Obi-Wan said. He and Obi-Wan
ignited their blue-bladed light-sabers and advanced on Dooku, who ignited his own red-bladed weapon. The beams of their lightsabers hummed and clashed as they moved across the chamber. Dooku defended himself effortlessly."The two droids fired at Obi-Wan, but he batted their fired energy bolts back at them and cut them down as he moved fast for Dooku. Unfortunately, Dooku moved faster, extending his left hand toward Obi-Wan as he used the Force to lift the Jedi off his feet while at the same time constricting his throat. As Obi-Wan gasped, Anakin swung at Dooku from behind, but Dooku kicked Anakin's stomach with his left foot, smashing the young Jedi against a nearby wall.
Quotes from "Rise and Fall of Darth Vader", which is more consistent with the movie, then ROTS novel.
But even in this stupid ROTS novel Kenobi lost to Dooku. But wait! he lost to him in pure saber fight (I mean Dooku didn't even use force choke!).
Dooku was one or two leagues above Kenobi. Just like Mace, Yoda, Sidious, Plagueis, and even Anakin. Kenobi was able to beat Anakin only because he knows him perfectly, and Anakin was so stupid during the fight with Kenobi. But his skill was far superior.
And if Dooku is 1 or 2 leagues above Kenobi, a Sith incarnate of Anakin should be in that league as well right? So then tell me why Sith Anakin wasn't able to clearly defeat Kenobi? Because he was stupid you say? Well you said the answer yourself.
And don't tell me his mindset was the reason for his loss, because his skill and prowess didn't seemed to be effected when killing the jedi at the temple. Plus Obi Wan was also in the midset to convert Anakin to the light side, meaning he was reluctant to kill him even though it was necessary.
Originally posted by mnat801
That would make sense, only he didn't show that he could beat Kenobi in the Mustafar duel.
And Kenobi didn't show he could beat Dooku on the Invisible Hand. Despite having help he was completely humiliated. And it wasn't the first time either.
At least Skywalker wasn't out of his league when he fought Kenobi. On the other hand it's quite clear Kenobi was completely out of his league against Dooku.
From the whole Anakin>Dooku>Kenobi>/=Anakin fights in ROTS the biggest mismatch by far was Dooku vs Obi-Wan.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERThe way you put Anakin in such high esteem though makes it hard for me to believe he could be defeated by Obi wan who is frankly "1 or 2 leagues" away from Dooku/Anakin.
And Kenobi didn't show he could beat Dooku on the Invisible Hand. Despite having help he was completely humiliated. And it wasn't the first time either.At least Skywalker wasn't out of his league when he fought Kenobi. On the other hand it's quite clear Kenobi was completely out of his league against Dooku.
From the whole Anakin>Dooku>Kenobi>/=Anakin fights in ROTS the biggest mismatch by far was Dooku vs Obi-Wan.
And a clear defeat after a long, hard fight sounds more convincing than an early and a suspcious force push to determine superiority.
But at the same time I do understand where you're coming from and so I acknowledge that. I just feel it doesn't add up.