Count dooku vs magneto

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Count dooku vs magneto

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Special ruling; dooku's lightsaber is made of a special 'space metal' which is actually not metal but a substance much like it and can not be manipulated by magneto.

I don't remember the movie version of Magnus using a force field. Even if he were able to use his force field I don't think that would matter. I don't see how Magneto can defend against Dookus force abilities. Most notably his force grip. Unless of course we allow MAgneto the ability to manipulate the iron in Dookus blood lol

Magneto could only do that after a bunch of iron tablets were ingested.

Magneto has more raw power, but he has no defense against Dooku.

Sith 10/10

I guess it would depend on what metallic objects Dooku was wearing at the time. The force choke isn't exactly insta-kill, it does take a few seconds to kill someone with it. Magneto has far more raw power and can kill Dooku faster if Dooku's wearing any metallic object in an advantageous location (necklace perhaps?).

But without that, obviously Dooku kills him. Even if Magneto is able to start launching metallic objects from around the room at Dooku, Dooku still has sith reflexes and cut through said object while maintaining force grip.

It all depends on what metal objects Dooku is wearing.

Dooku could force choke Magneto to death since he has no defense against the force.

Originally posted by FrothByte

It all depends on what metal objects Dooku is wearing.

The answer to that is none. We see that Force Users primarily wear robes and as such have pretty much zero metal on them aside from their lightsaber and maybe a commlink which only has metal circuitry.

Originally posted by KingD19
Magneto could only do that after a bunch of iron tablets were ingested.

Magneto has more raw power, but he has no defense against Dooku.

Sith 10/10

If he can lift a bridge im sure he could rip the iron out of a human body

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
If he can lift a bridge im sure he could rip the iron out of a human body

Then how come in X2 they had Mystique force feed that guard iron tablets so Magneto could use them hmm?

If he didn't need them, then that scene shouldn't have been necessary. But it specifically showed that he only could pull the iron(tablets, not natural) out of the guys body after he'd ingested them.

IIRC, isn't the force choke solely a Vader feat? I don't remember another Sith using it, but I could be wrong. Been a long time since I watched those movies.

Vader is the only one to use it in the movies, but it's a pretty basic Dark Side Force Technique that somebody at Dooku's level could easily do. So even though he hasn't shown it, we know he can do it, just like we know Mace Windu can use Force TK even though we never saw him do it.

Even if he's not allowed Force Choke, he still has TK enough to move tons of weight which means Mags will get slung around like a rag doll. And he has Force Lightning which Mags can't defend against.

Just like Dooku can't defend against Magneto throwing cars or other multi-ton metal objects at him.

Sir Ian Mckellen wins. Again.

Dooku has a faster fire rate for his powers than Magneto. Magneto goes to pick up a car? Dooku grabs him with the force and slams his face into the ground.

Not really. Plus Dooku hardly ever uses the force in such ways. Heck, in the films, we never use the force so quickly. Just look at Dooku's fight with Yoda it takes time to use the force like that.

He dropped that metal platform on Obi-Wan in the middle of a fight with Anakin. It took like 2-3 seconds to focus and yank it down. Also Force Push or applications of TK happen very quickly. You know this.

Magneto on the other hand takes several seconds to do anything. Even in X3 it took a good few seconds for him to flip the truck escorting Juggernaut. You can tell because there's always that sound effect of his that comes before he actually manipulates anything.

In the films it usually takes a few seconds to use the force.

As for Magneto, he has stopped bullets in mid flight. Clearly it doesn't take that long to use his powers.

And of course, if Dooku attempts to use his saber first he is screwed.

The saber is immune to Magneto's manipulation for this fight as per OP.

And stopping bullets is a lot easier than picking up a car. The bigger something is, the longer it takes for Magneto to manipulate it, which is his downfall since Dooku not only has pre-cog and enhanced reflexes, but TK he can't defend against, and Lightning he can shoot as well.

Anakin levitated balls and spun them around to show off for Padme with no time lag.

But when it comes to Force pushing a person, there's no lag as shown in Episodes 1-3 when it was used on several people/droids.

I think Mags can still pull iron out of Dooku's bloodstream. Mags needed the extra iron inside that prison guard to create projectiles large enough to bust out of prison

Force pushing people isn't going to win it here for Dooku. He's going to need to slam Mags down to get a KO. But in the time it takes for that Magneto's far vaster magnetic powers will have allowed him to throw something at Dooku.

The only way Dooku wins this is if he opens up with lightning otherwise he will be flattened.

Yet in all 3 movies he never even attempted it, despite it being a very useful and viable tactic if he had access to it. The one time he did, it was with Mystique's help. Which casts doubt on it being a standard.

You can't just say, well I think he could do it. Comic Magneto can, so movie Magneto can too. Movie Mags has a lot of powers weakened or taken away completely.

Is there a chance he could do it? Yeah.
Do I think he could? No. No instances of it were shown, and the one time he did do it he had outside help.

Originally posted by ares834
Force pushing people isn't going to win it here for Dooku. He's going to need to slam Mags down to get a KO. But in the time it takes for that Magneto's far vaster magnetic powers will have allowed him to throw something at Dooku.

The only way Dooku wins this is if he opens up with lightning otherwise he will be flattened.

YouTube video

This is Dooku fighting Anakin and Obi-Wan. Skip to 1:30 to see the good part.

Dooku is not only fast enough to fight 2 of the best Jedi in the Order with no problems, he's strong enough to kick Anakin several feet backwards and instantly Force Choke/Force Lift Kenobi(at the same time) and casually tosses him clean across the room(at least somewhere between 30 and 40+ feet) into a metal railing hard enough to dent it and knock him unconscious. Then he drops that platform on him in a few seconds.

Unlike comics, movie Magneto is a frail old man. That first Force Push Obi fell victim to probably would hurt him a lot more, and if a Master of the Force has no defense against Force Choke/TK combo, Magneto doesn't either.