Man of Steel vs Pacific Rim

Originally posted by Lestov16
LOL at how you think Box Office=movie quality. A movie can fail at many things, not just box office grossing. In the case of MoS, it was characterization and pacing.

I guess you completely missed this part:

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

And has like a 77% rating by general audiences.

So it's a financial success and has a general thumbs up from audeinces, so how exactly is it a failure?

Because you didn't like it? That's just your opinion. And your welcome to express the reasons why you dislike it, but the Fact is the movie was successful.

Why wouldn't they search her mind for everything regarding Superman? It's the only reason they would search her mind.

They would need the command key because it's the (seemingly) only source of information about the Codex's location. They would know he had one because he had to have used to it activate the beacon which brought them there.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I guess you completely missed this part:

So it's a financial success and has a general thumbs up from audeinces, so how exactly is it a failure?

Because you didn't like it? That's just your opinion. And your welcome to express the reasons why you dislike it, but the Fact is the movie was successful.

As was the Bayformers series.

I will admit, I enjoyed this film solely as an alien invasion summer blockbuster, but it completely failed as a Superman story, which is a problem when a good chunk of the film is devoted to telling it.

You see, now you're just making up information that wasn't presented in the film.

Why would a command key of Jor El himself not be the last source of info about the Codex? When it was....

Why would they not know he used a command key to send a beacon to them when they know how their own tech works and know one would need use a command key to activate a beacon?

How do they know he has a command key of Jor-el?

The ship was an ancient Scout Ship, not a contemporary one. For all they knew, it might not even operate using Command Keys or perhaps it could have one in it.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And has like a 77% rating by general audiences.

Since we're talking vs Pacific Rim, PR has an even more impressive 82%, and a critic rating of 72% rather than 56%.

In your face.

Originally posted by Q99
Since we're talking vs Pacific Rim, PR has an even more impressive 82%, and a critic rating of 72% rather than 56%.

That's impressive although I'm sure a month in MOS was around 80%, so will see if PR sustains the 82% rating.

And honestly what does it matter what critics think when they praised Superman Returns? I for one have never been too concerned for their ratings.

As for critics, the types of critics and why they don't like it matters to me.

Like, someone saying, "It's just giant robots/silly superhero stuff, who cares?" can safely be ignored, but more precise criticism can be useful.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That's impressive although I'm sure a month in MOS was around 80%, so will see if PR sustains the 82% rating.

It's got over a hundred thousand user ratings in- it'd be very difficult for it to drop much in the near future.

Fair enough, although I think the bigger box office films like MOS will likely have more people rating them.

Originally posted by Q99
As for critics, the types of critics and why they don't like it matters to me.

Like, someone saying, "It's just giant robots/silly superhero stuff, who cares?" can safely be ignored, but more precise criticism can be useful.
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Alot of the critics its mostly what they know about the character and what they liked about a previous franchise of it.

Pacific Rim
US Domestic Total as of Aug. 18, 2013: $98,401,000
Foreign $286,000,000.

Total $384,401,000.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Alot of the critics its mostly what they know about the character and what they liked about a previous franchise of it.

Yep. Most the criticisms of MOS were things like Caville is no Reeve.

Critics are the type of people who preferred SR due to it being a tribute to the Donner films.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Why would a command key of Jor El himself not be the last source of info about the Codex? When it was....

Why would they not know he used a command key to send a beacon to them when they know how their own tech works and know one would need use a command key to activate a beacon?

Lois had no idea what Kal had given her. He handed her "something" and she hid it. She didn't know what it was until she looked at it later and put it in the ship. So if they probed her mind for some sort of "key" how would she be able to give them that information when she literally didn't have it? Seems like you are inventing issues where none are

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yep. Most the criticisms of MOS were things like Caville is no Reeve.

Critics are the type of people who preferred SR due to it being a tribute to the Donner films.

That's like with Amazing Spider-Man, How alot of them were used to Tobey Maguire's and they disliked the snappy comebacks in Amazing Spidey was giving to the villains.

Originally posted by Kazenji
That's like with Amazing Spider-Man, How alot of them were used to Tobey Maguire's and they disliked the snappy comebacks in Amazing Spidey was giving to the villains.

Even though comic book fans have been expecting/wanting Spidey to be like that since the first movie.

It's like I said critics are a very very small percentage of your movie audience. So I really don't see why their opinion matters at all in determining the success of a movie.

If a movie has the backing of the general audience and it's financially successful and critics give it a thumbs up too, then great. But if it has everything except critics approval then that really doesn't matter one bit.

On the other hand if critics like it but the general audience does not (e.g. Superman Returns) then again critics liking it means squat really.

I will concede I may be have been too harsh on Man of Steel. It was a fun film, Superman's arc was understandable, and the action was spectacular. I gave it unjustified criticisms because it may have strayed from the mythos I'm familiar with. That being stated, I still think Pacific Rim was the more enjoyable film. That is of course just IMO and everybody is entitled to their own.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I will concede I may be have been too harsh on Man of Steel. It was a fun film, Superman's arc was understandable, and the action was spectacular. I gave it unjustified criticisms because it may have strayed from the mythos I'm familiar with. That being stated, I still think Pacific Rim was the more enjoyable film. That is of course just IMO and everybody is entitled to their own.

Respect

Originally posted by Lestov16
That is of course just IMO and everybody is entitled to their own.

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