Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Fair enough, although I think the bigger box office films like MOS will likely have more people rating them.
Statistically, past a certain point there's little difference. You've got a highly accurate sampling at 1,000, let alone 100,000.
And PR is still a giant box office film! We aren't exactly talking art-house flicks in either case.
Originally posted by ares834
I don't think anyone actually cares about Jonathan Kent, it's just that they made him such an unlike SOB yet we are supposed to agree with him somewhat.
Look at the bigger picture. The interpretation of his character was very powerful. He was Instilling mindfulness in Clark. Instead of taking the responsibility to teach clark to be how he is. He took as much responsibility that was bestowed upon him whilst keeping Clark real fathers intentions in mind. This version of Johnation was deeper, and more thoughtful than any other incarnation I've ever come across. He was still everything I knew about Jonathan just not as one dimensional. He was grooming, be fully aware of his developing consciousness. He showed clark that no matter what decision he made he would always accept him as his own and understand what path he might choose. I never got the impression that, Jonathon didn't believe, Clark would become the hero he chose to be, but instead, preparing him for the perceived Villain he might become.
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Look at the bigger picture. The interpretation of his character was very powerful. He was Instilling mindfulness in Clark. Instead of taking the responsibility to teach clark to be how he is. He took as much responsibility that was bestowed upon him whilst keeping Clark real fathers intentions in mind. This version of Johnation was deeper, and more thoughtful than any other incarnation I've ever come across. He was still everything I knew about Jonathan just not as one dimensional. He was grooming, be fully aware of his developing consciousness. He showed clark that no matter what decision he made he would always accept him as his own and understand what path he might choose. I never got the impression that, Jonathon didn't believe, Clark would become the hero he chose to be, but instead, preparing him for the perceived Villain he might become.
I totally understand where yer coming from...
However in a real life situation, I know my own 7 yr old son would grow up resenting me if I held him back as much as Jonathon did to Clark.
I also know my son would be screwed up if he was able to save my life & I told him not to.
Yes, I know my son doesn't have super powers but just the same I can't hold him back from being & acting like a kid because I'm paranoid how society will view him...or me, as his father.
Recently he's been bullied at school & I was stumped as to what advice to give him. Either run to the teacher & dob the bully in OR stand up & fight. But if you stand your ground & fight, be prepared to get hurt & get in trouble as well.
Not once did I feel that Jonathon instilled a sense of pride into Clark's upbringing.
I think the problem is that rather than teaching Clark not to abuse his powers, he was trying to teach Clark not to use them altogether. He was more concerned with harboring Kal El, the alien fugitive, than raising Clark Kent, his son. It's like Cairn said. He gave Superman no sense of pride. He practically made him feel ashamed to have his gifts. He was so concerned with preventing Clark from becoming a villain that he never taught him to become a hero.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I totally understand where yer coming from...
However in a real life situation, I know my own 7 yr old son would grow up resenting me if I held him back as much as Jonathon did to Clark.
I also know my son would be screwed up if he was able to save my life & I told him not to.
Yes, I know my son doesn't have super powers but just the same I can't hold him back from being & acting like a kid because I'm paranoid how society will view him...or me, as his father.
Recently he's been bullied at school & I was stumped as to what advice to give him. Either run to the teacher & dob the bully in OR stand up & fight. But if you stand your ground & fight, be prepared to get hurt & get in trouble as well.
Not once did I feel that Jonathon instilled a sense of pride into Clark's upbringing.
I can see what you mean and i'm not disagreeing that Kents message was a bit skewered or ambiguous because I felt similar to how you feel the first time I watched the movie. It wasn't until I started questioning why they chose to have kent raise Clark the way he did. It seemed to me That Jonathon was constantly contradicting himself by saying he wanted Clark to be make his own decisions but at the same time to ignore his natural physical gifts. Then I realized that he was only doing that so Clark could develop a sense of self not based on the advantages he had over others.
As far as not instilling any pride in him, i'm not sure if I can see that because he was constantly telling him how proud he was of him and that he would always be proud of him regardless of what decisions he would make in life. I think the one scene where he intervened between the kids that were bullying Clark was a strong example of the pride he had for Clark. He acknowledged how hard it must have been for Clark to hold back and even conveyed that he would have understood if he chose to lash out instead of remain calm.