Maryann Forrester vs. Marnie Stonebrook

Originally posted by BloodRain
The website being the True Blood Wikia that is created and edited by fans with fan created spell names for the most part? It doesnt list what is or isnt vamp specific.

He knew he was a vampire, not hungry, not knowing where/who he is and surrounded by people. Sure he ran, why would Maryann? Eric does not attack for no reason, not even in that front he puts up. As long as she knows what she is, she'll act as Eric did when finding Sookie.

It does list what is vampire specific on the list of spells.

Loss of identity would not have you trying to clear the room. Think about it for a second.

She will be disillusioned just as Eric was. She will need to defeat Marnie before she can cast the spell.

There is because necromancy is the control of the undead, that spell is her controlling something about an undead. And just like her slave and decay spells has only shown to work on the things which she can control; the undead.

Say that to all the shows that have amnesia. Some run, some stay, some question, some get pissed, some just go with it.. it really depends on the character and setting. Assuming it works, we don't know how she would act. What we do know is the setting is some middle aged woman standing there, maybe attacking. We also know Maryann would know how 'immortal' she is and her cravings for human energy. All it would take is any reason to attack, whether thread rules, her own nature or Marnie attacking like she would, and Maryann would be back on the offensive.

Originally posted by BloodRain
There is because necromancy is the control of the undead, that spell is her controlling something about an undead. And just like her slave and decay spells has only shown to work on the things which she can control; the undead.

Say that to all the shows that have amnesia. Some run, some stay, some question, some get pissed, some just go with it.. it really depends on the character and setting. Assuming it works, we don't know how she would act. What we do know is the setting is some middle aged woman standing there, maybe attacking. We also know Maryann would know how 'immortal' she is and her cravings for human energy. All it would take is any reason to attack, whether thread rules, her own nature or Marnie attacking like she would, and Maryann would be back on the offensive.

But based on Marynn's character it makes sense for her not to fight. Eric is a born fighter and he fled. Just saying Maryann will fight ignores Eric's instance and her normal character.

She never attacked Bill despite him overpowering and attacking her. She let Sookie and Bill both leave.

Why is it? I'm basing my opinion on what the show gives us. And thats to mention that TB shows us that spells/magic works differently on different beings.

Eric is a born fighter. Without memory he lacks any personal qualities that make him Eric. He was a blank slate only working on what was going on around him, as said people react to amnesia instances in different ways. And we both know if Marnie attacked Maryann would counter.

As per her 'immortal' nature. She knew what would happen if he bit her, so she didn't even attempt to resist.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Why is it? I'm basing my opinion on what the show gives us. And thats to mention that TB shows us that spells/magic works differently on different beings.

Eric is a born fighter. Without memory he lacks any personal qualities that make him Eric. He was a blank slate only working on what was going on around him, as said people react to amnesia instances in different ways. And we both know if Marnie attacked Maryann would counter.

As per her 'immortal' nature. She knew what would happen if he bit her, so she didn't even attempt to resist.

You can't just assume she would fight as it is not in character for her to do so. Who knows if she would even do so. It is likely based on what we see for her to leave.

She did not know he would bite her. She does not resist due to her nature. She is out there to encourage lusting and losing control not combat. Not saying she won't defend herself but she just isn't likely from the onset to go onto the offensive.

Things say its possible as much as the opposite. So how about we call as assumed tie on this?

As you cannot assume she would decode to run. We're basing this off a blank personality of hers we have never see, which isn't Eric's. The thing is if attacked, which she will be, shed fight back.

She saw him cock his fangs and go for it, smiling away. This wouldn't be the first time she's been bitten. In this scenario, assuming the magic fire does much, she'll attack if actually damaged

Originally posted by BloodRain
Things say its possible as much as the opposite. So how about we call as assumed tie on this?

As you cannot assume she would decode to run. We're basing this off a blank personality of hers we have never see, which isn't Eric's. The thing is if attacked, which she will be, shed fight back.

She saw him cock his fangs and go for it, smiling away. This wouldn't be the first time she's been bitten. In this scenario, assuming the magic fire does much, she'll attack if actually damaged

You are assuming she will but ignoring the instance of it occurring.

Yes, she does not seem to defend herself. Bill also throw her back and overpowered her prior to. She just doesn't seem to defend herself initially.

Not if her mind is wiped.

And if you try to assume a 350 vamp can bullet time, we'll have something to talk about.

To who, Eric? Is she Eric? Is she a vampire? Are her instincts that of his? Amnesiac are always show to react on different ways, so no one can say for certain what shed do. The only thong we know is that Marnie would be attacking in some way. Leading to the counter.

Yep, initially she doesn't. And seeing as the only damaging thing Marnie has is summoning fire, she has a good reason to be so aloof.

Originally posted by BloodRain
And if you try to assume a 350 vamp can bullet time, we'll have something to talk about.

To who, Eric? Is she Eric? Is she a vampire? Are her instincts that of his? Amnesiac are always show to react on different ways, so no one can say for certain what shed do. The only thong we know is that Marnie would be attacking in some way. Leading to the counter.

Yep, initially she doesn't. And seeing as the only damaging thing Marnie has is summoning fire, she has a good reason to be so aloof.

Eric's instincts are far more aggressive than let's party. No proof or likelihood of her doing what you say.

Amnesiac spell should work fine.

And left with it not being something you can ever prove. So that's that.

Again, the Viking warrior did not exist. Amnesia, remember? Instinct as in what would their blank slate selves do. Lol what I say? What I say is that neither of us can say what she would do when under. But, and this time hoping you actually respond to this, Marnie will end up attacking her, which will make her attack back.

Originally posted by BloodRain
And left with it not being something you can ever prove. So that's that.

Again, the Viking warrior did not exist. Amnesia, remember? Instinct as in what would their blank slate selves do. Lol what I say? What I say is that neither of us can say what she would do when under. But, and this time hoping you actually respond to this, Marnie will end up attacking her, which will make her attack back.

There is no evidence she would react in the same manner.

Marnie might wipe her slate clean. She would then leave. Maryann did not attack Bill back.

That can mean anything from 200mph and up, you'd have to move at a quarter bullet speed to be undetectable.

There is no evidence to the contrary. Nothing either of us can say will prove how blank-slate Maryann would act, nothing at all. But yet again Marinie will have to attack sooner or later to win. Meaning she couldn't get more done than this.

Originally posted by BloodRain
That can mean anything from 200mph and up, you'd have to move at a quarter bullet speed to be undetectable.

There is no evidence to the contrary. Nothing either of us can say will prove how blank-slate Maryann would act, nothing at all. But yet again Marinie will have to attack sooner or later to win. Meaning she couldn't get more done than this.

Evidence of Eric's reaction and her in general support me.

One spell and she wins.

How is 1/4 bullet speed fast enough to tag someone with bullet speed reactions?

Cool, she isn't Eric nor will she be herself after amnesia. Ironically youre forgetting about the amnesia.

Originally posted by BloodRain
How is 1/4 bullet speed fast enough to tag someone with bullet speed reactions?

Cool, she isn't Eric nor will she be herself after amnesia. Ironically youre forgetting about the amnesia.

No proof she will fight. She leaves just like when the spell was used. Her loss of identity suddenly would do that to a person. No reason to believe otherwise.

Remember when you said that Maryann allows things to hit her? Yeah, your own words back me up. Maryann has faster reactions than all vamps below 1,100,

Again, no proof she doesn't. Reference another character taking the spell in their own personal way all you like. And no, like I said earlier fiction shows amnesiacs acting is various ways. Look at Jason Borne; The first thing he did was start kicking peoples ass.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Remember when you said that Maryann allows things to hit her? Yeah, your own words back me up. Maryann has faster reactions than all vamps below 1,100,

Again, no proof she doesn't. Reference another character taking the spell in their own personal way all you like. And no, like I said earlier fiction shows amnesiacs acting is various ways. Look at Jason Borne; The first thing he did was start kicking peoples ass.

She did not have faster reactions than Bill who is not even 500 years old.

You said she would fight but have no evidence while insisting we ignore the instance of the spell being cast on Eric.

Exactly, giving her faster reactions than anyone below Eric.

She did when she grabbed Sookie and chokedslammed her across the room right under Bill's nose. And when it came to it, Maryann was smiling during Bill's attack, so not a threat to her.

Do you even know why I said she would attack? Because while neither of us can say what she would happen, we do have one single fact; Marnie is going to attack her. And it doesnt matter what happened, if she attacks, Maryann will attack. Take even Eric, how being near a Fae made him instantly attack or how being near a presumed threat (Bill) made him instantly attack. Marinie will attack, meaning so too would Maryann.
(Seriously neither of us can say. Eric was overwhelmed and left, Who am I's Jackie just questioned it in his stride, Jason Borne aggressively questioned it, Shadow the Hedgehog instantly jumped into action, Prototype's Alex Mercer escaped because he was in his own autopsy, Hancock just took it in his stride.. it varies.)

Originally posted by BloodRain
Exactly, giving her faster reactions than anyone below Eric.

She did when she grabbed Sookie and chokedslammed her across the room right under Bill's nose. And when it came to it, Maryann was smiling during Bill's attack, so not a threat to her.

Do you even know why I said she would attack? Because while neither of us can say what she would happen, we do have one single fact; Marnie is going to attack her. And it doesnt matter what happened, if she attacks, Maryann will attack. Take even Eric, how being near a Fae made him instantly attack or how being near a presumed threat (Bill) made him instantly attack. Marinie will attack, meaning so too would Maryann.
(Seriously neither of us can say. Eric was overwhelmed and left, Who am I's Jackie just questioned it in his stride, Jason Borne aggressively questioned it, Shadow the Hedgehog instantly jumped into action, Prototype's Alex Mercer escaped because he was in his own autopsy, Hancock just took it in his stride.. it varies.)

She was still overpowered. He bit her and had no knowledge of her as an opponent. That's one thing the Maenad had going for her. She was not studied or dissected since Maenads aren't known the general public or even the general vampire population.

Maryann enjoyed being attacked and was happy throughout for the most part. She smiled as Sookie attacked her. Her goal is death for her god.

Vampires naturally prey on the Fae. Bad comparison. Eric did not attack nor will Maryann because she doesn't in character and there is nothing to support your case other than well maybe.

We are discussing True Blodod and the characters involved therein.

And like youve said, she didnt give a rats ass. She did not care if Bill bit her and it goes in her favour, and it points to her playful nature. So using an unresisting scene as evidence against her is highly faulty.

"Amnesiacs all act exactly the same, no questions asked" Not an argument. All of those characters are reliable evidence as we are discussing the effects of amnesia, and unless you can cite something that says it was her magic that made him run, its all fair game for fictional mind loss.