Maryann Forrester vs. Marnie Stonebrook

Originally posted by BloodRain
And like youve said, she didnt give a rats ass. She did not care if Bill bit her and it goes in her favour, and it points to her playful nature. So using an unresisting scene as evidence against her is highly faulty.

"Amnesiacs all act exactly the same, no questions asked" Not an argument. All of those characters are reliable evidence as we are discussing the effects of amnesia, and unless you can cite something that says it was her magic that made him run, its all fair game for fictional mind loss.

I am saying you have no evidence at all to suggest your claim. I have canon proof and her behavior also supports it. Your argument consists of maybes and hey I don't know.

You have no evidence and want to ignore her history and the time the spell was used against a born fighter while still insisting she fights back. 😂

Once again, by your words, "she does not give a shit". So why would she try to fight back against Bill?

I am saying you have no evidence about how she would act after becoming an amnesiac. Saying it would be exactly the same as with Eric is you saying "Amnesiacs all act exactly the same, no questions asked".

..do you have amnesia, or is this an ironic joke? 😐 Eric being a warrior and her past means absolutely nothing because, and here's there spoiler, the amnesia makes them lose all identity and built up character traits. Eric was a warrior, but he did not know that.

If you're going to tell me Marnie would attack an amnesiac Maryann and she would not retaliate, just says alot.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Once again, by your words, "she does not give a shit". So why would she try to fight back against Bill?

I am saying you have no evidence about how [b]she would act after becoming an amnesiac. Saying it would be exactly the same as with Eric is you saying "Amnesiacs all act exactly the same, no questions asked".

..do you have amnesia, or is this an ironic joke? 😐 Eric being a warrior and her past means absolutely nothing because, and here's there spoiler, the amnesia makes them lose all identity and built up character traits. Eric was a warrior, but he did not know that.

If you're going to tell me Marnie would attack an amnesiac Maryann and she would not retaliate, just says alot. [/B]

Looking at the instance of the spell, the initial,confusion and loss of identity, and Maryann's history you can't say she suddenly starts getting very aggressive as there is no proof to that claim at all.

Maryann leaves at this point just like Eric thus losing the thread.

'cept it wont work, so theres that. Something we do know is that her powers will work against Marnie.

Again with bringing up her history like she'd even have that.. and again, you can keep saying "Eric did it, so its obvious Maryann would act the exact same way" is not a case. Amnesia makes different people act in different ways, and the only way that we can say what would happen to Maryann is to see it. Thats it, otherwise its just theory based on what we shall never know.

The fact that you have said nothing to what would happen the instant Marnie attacks kinda speaks for your answer.

Originally posted by BloodRain
'cept it wont work, so theres that. Something we do know is that her powers will work against Marnie.

Again with bringing up her history like she'd even have that.. and again, you can keep saying "Eric did it, so its obvious Maryann would act the exact same way" is not a case. Amnesia makes different people act in different ways, and the only way that we can say what would happen to Maryann is to see it. Thats it, otherwise its just theory based on what we shall never know.

The fact that you have said nothing to what would happen the instant Marnie attacks kinda speaks for your answer.

You don't have a case just basic maybes. I have the scene as my proof. You have nothing.

She defeats Maryann as she has magic and teleportational abilities. Only thing Maryann has going for her is the invulnerability but lacks the ruthlessness and speed to stop Marnie.

No I'm not and the fact that this is what you think shows you've lost track of the topic. She enjoys the light, a fact. She's far more durable than a human, a fact. Humans can still take an Elders blast, another fact. Being bullet proof makes her even more durable, more facts. You cannot tell me how much more powerful Niall is compared to Elder, meaning you can't defend the point or suggest its above her, fact.

Oh right, you have proof. My mistake. So, tell me again, what happened the last time Maryann lost her memories?

Yes, because teleporting is an attack. Hey you said it yourself, she has that invulnerability. She's capable of walking through Marnies low offensive spells.

Originally posted by BloodRain
No I'm not and the fact that this is what you think shows you've lost track of the topic. She enjoys the light, a fact. She's far more durable than a human, a fact. Humans can still take an Elders blast, another fact. Being bullet proof makes her even more durable, more facts. You cannot tell me how much more powerful Niall is compared to Elder, meaning you can't defend the point or suggest its above her, fact.

Oh right, you have proof. My mistake. So, tell me again, what happened the last time Maryann lost her memories?

Yes, because teleporting is an attack. Hey you said it yourself, she has that invulnerability. She's capable of walking through Marnies low offensive spells.

I never said the blast would kill her but it would affect her and possibly ko her.

Different kind of attack and bullets don't ko like the blasts. Pay attention to what I am saying before going off on your rants.

We only have the time it did happen to someone with a clean slate. They left. Spell used and clean slate means left. You have nothing.

False. Based on what do you feel that Maryann is completely immune to fire ?

So she's not immune to the light, it just doesn't do anything significant to her? I'll take it.

Why. Why would it KO her. What proof do you have to even suggest this?

Lol this whole bullet vs blast topic has been your rant that has nothing to do with anything. The topic was their reactions, remember?

Cool so you can't prove how Maryann would act based on never seeing it, and for Eric being a completely different person?

Finally, the meat of the discussion. 1) Being far more durable than and being able to survive anything on the human level, fire would affect her much less than it would a person. The argument could be made that enough flames would damage her, but it would have to be before she puts it out. 2) She can only summon the flames, not really control them iirc.

Originally posted by BloodRain
So she's not immune to the light, it just doesn't do anything significant to her? I'll take it.

Why. Why would it KO her. What proof do you have to even suggest this?

Lol this whole bullet vs blast topic has been your rant that has nothing to do with anything. The topic was their reactions, remember?

Cool so you can't prove how Maryann would act based on never seeing it, and for Eric being a completely different person?

Finally, the meat of the discussion. 1) Being far more durable than and being able to survive anything on the human level, fire would affect her much less than it would a person. The argument could be made that enough flames would damage her, but it would have to be before she puts it out. 2) She can only summon the flames, not really control them iirc.

It would weather her down. If someone laughs off one punch that doesn't mean 100 punches cannot defeat them or from someone stronger and more skilled.

Spell was shown and blank slate the person left. You can't prove she would fight back and the time it was used supports my case. I have evidence you don't.

So now she can't control the flames ? Wow. You get more desperate with every post. So basically she might summon fire which she can't control and might even burn her. The greatest witch we have seen is this stupid.

😂

Yeah, as your words Sookie's blasts just tickle her. Also wrong thread.

Depends on the level of attack. For instance if I shove you a thousand times, once every 10 seconds, the damage wont rack up. And I take it this if you saying that she has that level of durability?

The blank slate of someone that isnt Maryann.. not being her means it does not mean shed be personally effected in the same way.

Do you know what 'iirc' means?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Yeah, as your words Sookie's blasts just tickle her. Also wrong thread.

Depends on the level of attack. For instance if I shove you a thousand times, once every 10 seconds, the damage wont rack up. And I take it this if you saying that she has that level of durability?

The blank slate of someone that isnt Maryann.. not being her means it does not mean shed be personally effected in the same way.

Do you know what 'iirc' means?

These attacks aren't pushes though and are considerably more powerful than a half Fae.

She will be hurt by continued attacks.

She is a blank slate so it does apply since no personality traits carry over.

Now all you need to do is tell me how powerful his are.

They are also not punches either... Why would continuous blasts harm her when we dont even know how strong they are?

The built up traits are stripped, they still have a baseline one (as seen with Eric). And thats not even the point, which is that unless all lifeforms minus memories are 100% the same, nothing says shed act like he did.

No response. Iirc means If I Recall Correctly, as in I can only recall her summoning flames to kindle the wood around Eric/Bill, and when she created a ring of fire on the floor around Sook. Which is hardly flamethrower quality.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Now all you need to do is tell me how powerful his are.

They are also not punches either... Why would continuous blasts harm her when we dont even know how strong they are?

The built up traits are stripped, they still have a baseline one (as seen with Eric). And thats not even the point, which is that unless all lifeforms minus memories are 100% the same, nothing says shed act like he did.

No response. Iirc means If I Recall Correctly, as in I can only recall her summoning flames to kindle the wood around Eric/Bill, and when she created a ring of fire on the floor around Sook. Which is hardly flamethrower quality.

We know full Fae are more powerful than half Fae. We also see the free behind them as far more powerful than what Sookie brings to bear.

We see the loss of identity is a clean slate. Clean slate with this spell means they flee. No other evidence to suggest otherwise.

You acted like she would not have control over fire and would summon it anyways. That's too stupid to even believe. Who would summon fire if they had no control and could kill them.

Niall is a lot more powerful that Sookie, Maryann is a lot more durable than things that can take Sookie.

Clean slate with the spell means they lose their memories, nothing more. Eric is not Maryann, just as he is not any other character that suffered amnesia. And yes, unless the spell makes them flee, it being just normal amnesia means I can compare to fictional amnesia, as its the same.

No, I said that there is a difference between just summoning fire and being able to manipulate it. For instance, Marnie summoning fire to light the wood under Eric/Bill or to create a ring around Sook is different from someone shooting out streams of fire from their fists, or Voldermort's fire snake magic. If she can only summon fire around Maryann, it won't be that threatening.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Niall is a lot more powerful that Sookie, Maryann is a lot more durable than things that can take Sookie.

Clean slate with the spell means they lose their memories, nothing more. Eric is not Maryann, just as he is not any other character that suffered amnesia. And yes, unless the spell makes them flee, it being just normal amnesia means I can compare to fictional amnesia, as its the same.

No, I said that there is a difference between just summoning fire and being able to manipulate it. For instance, Marnie summoning fire to light the wood under Eric/Bill or to create a ring around Sook is different from someone shooting out streams of fire from their fists, or Voldermort's fire snake magic. [b]If she can only summon fire around Maryann, it won't be that threatening. [/B]

We see the spell enacted and you have no evidence just speculation. The scene itself carries more weight than your unproven theories.

She can still summon fire and use it against her opponents. The fact Maryann isn't that aggressive does not bode well for her.