Superman vs Wonder Woman & Martian Manhunter

Started by Delta193812 pages

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys:

1. Personal attacks stop now.
2. The "Til Death Do Us Part" arc goes to great lengths to show that Superman is weakened, with several characters commenting on how sick he looks, and the constant cough he can't seem to shake.

What else needs to be clarified?

That even if carter weren't blatantly wrong about SACRIFICE, he not allowed to use her using weapons to argue she'd win a weapon/skill free slugfest.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I posted a scan showing Superman was having to be given constant sunlight. And that he was dying. Therefore making all your mental gymnastics irrelevant. You bringing up an odd, weird as **** retcon doesn't mean a thing. Oh yes, you leave out that it was a retcon, well after the storyline you're citing, arguing Supergirl being effected by Kryptonite. This storyline had it killing Superman as its intent the entire time.

Problem #1: You're reaching as ****.

Problem #2: Also reaching as ****.

Problem #3: Unless you failed to pay attention to my scans and didn't notice that Parasite's fight posing as Lois takes place well after, again, reaching as ****.

(snipped scans due to image limits; I'd already seen the Supergirl/Mon-El fight anyways)

Which her having Kryptonite poisoning was all a retcon. The storyline wasn't written at all with this in mind. How convenient of you to leave out. In fact, you had many many times argued the writer's intent over the time to dismiss retcons when the retcon hurt you. But now the retcon helps you? You use it eagerly.

Actually I wanted a tacit admission by you that some retcons are total BS and that it's right to say so. Which you just did.

Your scans aren't as easy to follow now that I'm on iPhone as opposed to laptop.
I have no idea when most of the stuff you submitted is supposed to be happening in relation to itself. I just assumed it's all around the same time, all around 2004 or thereabouts, because I recognized the artwork of some of the scans as that of (Ed?) McGuinness, who usually worked with Jeph Loeb.
I'll Google the title Pr gave and read a synopsis, if time permits.

How strong or weak Superman himself was at that time is not necessarily a good barometer of how strong Parasite was. Parasite had apparently absorbed 4 or more other people in addition to Superman, shown or alluded to in your scans. He also apparently had the ability to retain and recall those stolen powers at will, much like Marvel Comics Rogue could do. It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn DC copied this idea from Marvel, though I suppose it could have gone the other way just as well.

At any rate, the presentation of the event leads me to conclude Wonder Woman had a significant upper hand, and that Parasite knew it, which is why he chose to flee instead of fight, and flee very quickly at that.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Actually I wanted a tacit admission by you that some retcons are total BS and that it's right to say so. Which you just did.

Your scans aren't as easy to follow now that I'm on iPhone as opposed to laptop.
I have no idea when most of the stuff you submitted is supposed to be happening in relation to itself. I just assumed it's all around the same time, all around 2004 or thereabouts, because I recognized the artwork of some of the scans as that of (Ed?) McGuinness, who usually worked with Jeph Loeb.
I'll Google the title Pr gave and read a synopsis, if time permits.

How strong or weak Superman himself was at that time is not necessarily a good barometer of how strong Parasite was. Parasite had apparently absorbed 4 or more other people in addition to Superman, shown or alluded to in your scans. He also apparently had the ability to retain and recall those stolen powers at will, much like Marvel Comics Rogue could do. It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn DC copied this idea from Marvel, though I suppose it could have gone the other way just as well.

At any rate, the presentation of the event leads me to conclude Wonder Woman had a significant upper hand, and that Parasite knew it, which is why he chose to flee instead of fight, and flee very quickly at that.

You've proven you'll use retcons when it suits you but ignore them when they don't, and argue "what the writer intended" when it suits you but dismiss it when it doesn't. The writer of the fight with Mon-El never intended her to be poisoned by Kryptonite. The storyline I showed scans from most certainly had intended that, since even before Superman started glowing green, he'd been coughing a lot(as was Parasite in scans I posted).

The storyline went from late 1999 to early 2000. If you can't follow the scans well, then why bother coming on your phone? Unless you specifically want an excuse to ignore scans, that is.....actually that makes a lot of sense and wouldn't surprise me.

This is such a reach. There wasn't anything indicating he was stronger than Superman except your mental gymnastics. He died by what killed Superman when Supes was still able to look for Lois.

Of course you'd come to that conclusion. You think that her smiling well after the fight is a feat. Unless you just didn't realize that Superman had been looking for Parasite and comes back saying why he couldn't find him before the smile you're so proud of? Parasite straight-up SAYS he has to get the lasso off before they find the truth. The reality is she got the jump on him AFTER he'd been fighting Superman, he shrugged it off if it even bothered him to begin with, and he stunned her, all while at best equal to a weakened Superman. But you keep doing your mental gymnastics to delude yourself into thinking he was superior. The storyline doesn't support it. This is just as bad as your arguments that Supergirl was made weaker at one point, when none of your arguments that she was are supported by the comics(Argo City would've had a similar environment to Krypton, and she lived most of her life on Krypton anyways, she wasn't made younger as she was getting ready for college and on New Krypton was ready to join a guild, if anything she got older). And you allegedly read those comics, so no surprise you'd completely get comics you didn't read wrong. 😆

Oh the mental gymnastics going on in here.

And Carver as usual ran from my challenge

Why am I still being brought up when I haven't posted in here over an hour ago? My woman don't even think about me this much. I'm loved.

Originally posted by carver9
Why am I still being brought up when I haven't posted in here over an hour ago? My woman don't even think about me this much. I'm loved.

You ran away from Rao's challenge. I would think you'd relish the opportunity, taking a BZ when he's sick, since you have no problem with exploiting that type of thing. Also, I thought you were done with the topic? You keep coming back. Oh yeah, trying to look more confident than you are. I know you break so easy and all.

Originally posted by Delta1938
You ran away from Rao's challenge. I would think you'd relish the opportunity, taking a BZ when he's sick, since you have no problem with exploiting that type of thing. Also, I thought you were done with the topic? You keep coming back. Oh yeah, trying to look more confident than you are. I know you break so easy and all.

Hhhmmm, so you consider this as me breaking? Gotcha.

Originally posted by carver9
Why am I still being brought up when I haven't posted in here over an hour ago? My woman don't even think about me this much. I'm loved.

When I call out a coward is not love, I am just exposing once again how much of a pussy they are. (I didn't know how to put this in a polite way)

In any case is not the first nor will be the last time you back down.

I guess your woman loves you so much for the amazing pussy whip you might be

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
When I call out a coward is not love, I am just exposing once again how much of a pussy they are. (I didn't know how to put this in a polite way)

Youre thinking about me when I'm not even online. thats more than just thinking of whomever you feel is a coward. I'm about to log off again for a few, probably lay out for the night. I wonder how much you'll bring me up tonight. You have a good one buddy. Ill check tomorrow to see how many times you all bring me up tonight.

Originally posted by carver9
Youre thinking about me when I'm not even online. thats more than just thinking of whomever you feel is a coward. I'm about to log off again for a few, probably lay out for the night. I wonder how much you'll bring me up tonight. You have a good one buddy. Ill check tomorrow to see how many times you all bring me up tonight.

I just dislike cowards a lot, is not love dude, just complete dislike for cowards. Cowards + Idiots and trolls are the worst, there is a few around.

Run away I would not expect anything less from you buddy. 🙂

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I just dislike cowards a lot, is not love dude, just complete dislike for cowards. Cowards + Idiots and trolls are the worst, there is a few around.

Run away I would not expect anything less from you buddy. 🙂

Carver the Coward.

That bit about personal attacks... People just ignore that, then?

Originally posted by carver9
Hhhmmm, so you consider this as me breaking? Gotcha.

Explain why you say you're done with a topic yet repeatedly return.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That bit about personal attacks... People just ignore that, then?

I'll stop Pr.

Team wins in normal.
Owaw Superman wins

Originally posted by h1a8
Team wins in normal.
Owner Superman wins

So what from the comics makes you think the team wins on normal?

Originally posted by Delta1938
So what from the comics makes you think the team wins on normal?
Diana can beat Superman in a h2h fight or at least get 4/10

Originally posted by h1a8
Diana can beat Superman in a h2h fight or at least get 4/10

So her strength and durability is great enough to get 4/10 in a skill free no dodging slugfest?

Bump.

I never got the exact definition of a slugfest. Is blocking, dodging, parrying, kicking, nerve strikes, etc c allowed?