Caedus vs Sith Emperor

Well Vitiate isn't a pussy for one thing.

And he owned 5 of the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy at the same time. And destroyed a temple, is capable of disintegration, can dominate minds, defeated a Sith Lord when he was 10, drained the power of hundreds of Sith Lords, drained power from Revan, received an amp from Sel-Makor.

Ruled an empire for 1300 years, defeated multiple Dark Councils, is probably the most knowledgeable Force user in the mythos, spread his power and consciousness over hundreds of followers and is still capable of soling entire teams with 2 attacks, is just better than Caedus in general.....

You know, stuff.

VVV 👆

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
okay, any...reasoning?

Both prodigious and highly educated Force users who haven't demonstrated truly extraordinary abilities a la Luke, Palpatine, Vitiate, etc.

Just a rough approximation based on their many similarities, not a placement made with any exactitude. I put Caedus, Revan, and Dooku on more or less even footing.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Agreed.

Revan would kick his pasty nerd butt.

I know, eh? Caedus may have monstrous feats and accolades, whereas Revan's reputation exists mostly on legacy and almost dying to six mandalorians in a shitty novel (note: Caedus toys with an equivalent number of mandos in beskar armor while also evading sniper shots from Jaina Solo and selectively saving and killing moffs), and, most importantly, he's an ancient Jedi, and appears in a popular video game. 🙄

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well Vitiate isn't a pussy for one thing.

😕 Caedus, a pussy? He continues to fight with a ****ing limp arm without being fazed at all, and is willing to take on any swordsman in the galaxy except for Luke one handed.

Barring Sion and Maul, he has the greatest pain tolerance in the mythos.

where does it state he defeated multiple dark councils? i remember only one

definitely not most knowledgeable force user

mind domination most likely probably won't work against a being as strong as caedus

having revan give vitiate a tough time does not signal to me that caedus can't beat him.

he also isn't a very good fighter in terms of tactical thinking (meetra could have killed him with her saber throw.) there's a reason he's described as more of a scholar than a warrior.

Caedus also loses to, I believe it was three, Mandalorians and they only let him go because he isn't theirs to kill....

Anyway, Revan has plenty of accolades, many of which are superior to Jacen's, and he has his own share of monstrous feats.

I can't think of any monstrous feats from Jacen.

Some good ones, but only good.

had the most powerful state of oneness on record

took on GRAND MASTER luke and injured him (although caedus still lost the fight)

had a more potent version of precog, being able to probe the future

beat Jaina, the "sword of the jedi" in their first duel, even with luke lending her strength and even after caedus lost his arm during the fight

Bro, edit button. Its under the big red X.

oh and also he beat kyle katarn, along with 3 other jedi, in what, 20 seconds?

1 Jedi Master and 3 random Jedi. Vitiate would stomp them with one hand in 10 seconds.

i would say kyle katarn is quite a bit above your average jedi master, most likely being more powerful than any of the jedi in the strike team sent after vitiate. while i do agree that vitiate would defeat this team, i would hardly say he would destroy them in ten seconds, like the members of the featless strike team (other than the hero of tython.) maybe the 3 other jedi (forgot their names) but definitely not kyle katarn.

As ares834 once suggested, Vitiate would probably just impale himself on the rigid length of Katarn's weapon.

And then Kyle would stab him with his lightsaber too.

Despite knowing the dangers of the dark side, Katarn utilized the dark powers of Force grip and Force lightning even as a Jedi Master. In spite of this, he was equally strong in light-side Force powers, such as Force absorb and Force protection, which he demonstrated during his mission with Jaden. This, combined with a number of Katarn's statements, indicates that he could have believed in the Potentium theory of the Force.

During the events led by Desann, Katarn showed a great mastery of the Force by relearning powers of both the light and dark side of the Force in a relatively short amount of time. However, it should be noted that Katarn revisited the Valley of the Jedi to quickly restore his connection to the Force, which increased his raw Force potential as a side-effect. It is, however, far more likely that because he had used them before, they naturally came back, as in the case of Darth Revan, an ancient Dark Lord of the Sith turned Jedi Knight. Katarn showed a strong will, resisting the many taunts and mind tricks Desann used on him in the Yavin temple.

During the events of the Disciples of Ragnos Crisis, Katarn had already become one of the strongest swordsmen in the New Jedi Order and successfully trained Jaden Korr, arguably the most famous hero during those events. An extraordinary swordsman, Katarn became the New Jedi Order's foremost Battlemaster. His general mastery of the Force was incredible and surpassed all but the strongest Jedi Masters. Even Darth Caedus acknowledged Katarn's abilities, something he rarely did.

-wookieepedia

just a few of kyle's abilities and what not

Also Caedus is said to be far stronger than darth vader, who is stronger than revan, meaning that if revan gave vitiate a tough time...

Edit: forgot if it was just stronger, or far stronger, but they do reference it somewhere that he was stronger than vader

No, Vitiate would still own Katarn and the nobodies he brought with him.

Yes, as I said, he would most likely defeat them, but i highly doubt he would end up wtfpwning kyle katarn in 10 seconds, who is the foremost battlemaster of the new jedi order. If it is true that his mastery of the force surpassed all but the strongest masters (of his time, or all time? idk) regardless, the NJO was the 1st/2nd strongest order there ever was.

Katarn might be powerful, but Vitiate defeated 5 of the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy easily. I'm just not convinced that Katarn wouldn't get pwned.

Well Vitiate almost certainly has the most Force knowledge in the mythos. He's extremely studious and has had 1400 years worth of time to study the Force. Not only that, but one of the reasons why he created the Dark Temple was to siphon the knowledge out of all who are buried there. If you take that as indicating Force Mastery too, then he undoubtedly surpassed nearly everyone in that regard, if not actually everyone.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Well Vitiate almost certainly has the most Force knowledge in the mythos. He's extremely studious and has had 1400 years worth of time to study the Force. Not only that, but one of the reasons why he created the Dark Temple was to siphon the knowledge out of all who are buried there. If you take that as indicating Force Mastery too, then he undoubtedly surpassed nearly everyone in that regard, if not actually everyone.

He probably has the most knowledge of the dark side in the mythos. But of the Force itself? That's still Palpatine.