Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor isn't a HH without mjolnir.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He is essentially hercules with some weather manipulation powers. That's not a high herald being.
Some weather manipulation? We saw him drop Gorr with a summoned lightning bolt and even kill Durok with energy.
Thor has high herald level physical stats and energy projection. Throw in his weather manipulation and that's sufficient.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Some weather manipulation? We saw him drop Gorr with a summoned lightning bolt and even kill Durok with energy.Thor has high herald level physical stats and energy projection. Throw in his weather manipulation and that's sufficient.
He is essentially hercules in stats. That's not enough for being a high herald in stats.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Why are trying to lowball? Superman isn't even in this thread...Without a shield Hal is hard pressed to fight Thor, at best he is Thunderstrike without the experience...
He isn't thunderstrike. He would at least be masterson thor level.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, some high end feats don't overrule vast majority of his appearances where he hasn't operated on that level.He is essentially hercules in stats. That's not enough for being a high herald in stats.
What the hell are you talking about? Those two story arcs that I referenced make up a huge chunk of Thor's appearances without Mjolnir.
Arguably greater but that's enough to qualify him for High Herald with his Thunder God powers. Besides, even if he was weaker then Hercules, he'd still make the cut.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What the hell are you talking about? Those two story arcs that I referenced make up a huge chunk of Thor's appearances without Mjolnir.Arguably greater but that's enough to qualify him for High Herald with his Thunder God powers. Besides, even if he was weaker then Hercules, he'd still make the cut.
Exactly.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What the hell are you talking about? Those two story arcs that I referenced make up a huge chunk of Thor's appearances without Mjolnir.Arguably greater but that's enough to qualify him for High Herald with his Thunder God powers. Besides, even if he was weaker then Hercules, he'd still make the cut.
Of course not. Hercules isn't a high herald or even a mid herald. Thor would be a mid herald.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
...So, unless the GL ring corrupts Thor's worthiness this is going to end bad for Hal.
A lot of assumptions have to be made for Hal to not be spite crushed here. And I'm assuming Thor doesn't have a lantern so he just leaves the Ring home...
Originally posted by abhilegend
Two story arcs or just an issue from Ragnarok and an issue just recently published? You think Thor has never been without mjolnir before and he hasn't been reduced in effectiveness without it? Lulz.Of course not. Hercules isn't a high herald or even a mid herald. Thor would be a mid herald.
Yes, two story arcs. They've the longest he's gone without the hammer outside his teenage years. He's physically less formidable yes but I'm not arguing that he belongs in the High Herald tier due to his physical stats alone.
So a being with High Herald physical stats and energy projection capable of one shotting beings even above Herald level isn't Herald level? Makes sense. 😐
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, two story arcs. They've the longest he's gone without the hammer outside his teenage years. He's physically less formidable yes but I'm not arguing that he belongs in the High Herald tier due to his physical stats alone.So a being with High Herald physical stats and energy projection capable of one shotting beings even above Herald level isn't Herald level? Makes sense. 😐
So Thor regularly oneshots people above him with his lightning and is high herald in stats? What about when Herc was choking him like a *****? Did he oneshot killed him with his durok buster or Gorr buster too?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Two issues without mjolnir is a large part of Thor's history without mjolnir? Haha.So Thor regularly oneshots people above him with his lightning and is high herald in stats? What about when Herc was choking him like a *****? Did he oneshot killed him with his durok buster or Gorr buster too?
You find that funny, why? Not including the times he's been a teenager, it is a huge chunk. The God of Thunder series is the longest Thor's been without the hammer on panel.
No, but he did beat Hercules with a lightning bolt that he summoned:
So the lowest showing for his lightning without Mjolnir is taking down Immortal Hercules. The other two showings have him taking out Gorr and Durok both beings above Herald level. That's a pretty astounding average for a being who's not High Herald. 😐
Including Thor's weather powers, he's still High Herald without Mjolnir. It's simply too much power and a game changer for him not to be.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You find that funny, why? Not including the times he's been a teenager, it is a huge chunk. The God of Thunder series is the longest Thor's been without the hammer on panel.No, but he did beat Hercules with a lightning bolt that he summoned:
So the lowest showing for his lightning without Mjolnir is taking down Immortal Hercules. The other two showings have him taking out Gorr and Durok both beings above Herald level. That's a pretty astounding average for a being who's not High Herald. 😐
Including Thor's weather powers, he's still High Herald without Mjolnir. It's simply too much power and a game changer for him not to be.
So he beat Herc with a sneak lightning attack and several lighning bolts? That's the high herald power you're talking about? I can always ask the better Thor fan spire about Thor's other showings without mjolnir. I recall Thor's lightning being useless on Radioactive man's shields or some such back then. Killing Durok and beating Gorr isn't his average without mjolnir. Its getting beaten to paste by savage hulk.
vin
So Thor is what, a skyfather with mjolnir? Mjolnir is a ****ing useless tool if Thor is a high herald with or without it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Him being longer without mjolnir under a single writer doesn't mean much in the overall depiction of Thor without mjolnir. Also didn't he use godblast on Desak and Gorr was after he absorbed the God Bomb?So he beat Herc with a sneak lightning attack and several lighning bolts? That's the high herald power you're talking about? I can always ask the better Thor fan spire about Thor's other showings without mjolnir. I recall Thor's lightning being useless on Radioactive man's shields or some such back then. Killing Durok and beating Gorr isn't his average without mjolnir. Its getting beaten to paste by savage hulk.
vin
So Thor is what, a skyfather with mjolnir? Mjolnir is a ****ing useless tool if Thor is a high herald with or without it.
Who brought up Desak? Young Thor used lightning against Gorr far before modern Thor absorbed the God Bomb.
Actually, it was one big lightning bolt but why does it matter? Hercules was down. I was talking about his weather powers. Also, now that you mention the Hulk, Thor used a lightning bolt to one-shot him as well:
Like I keep telling you repeatedly: Thor, if we also include his weather powers is most definitely High Herald even without Mjolnir. Simply way too much power there at his disposal. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that he'd win all match ups as I think he'd mostly be a brick but it's simply too much power for him not to qualify for High Herald, sorry.
You could make a separate case for averages as Thor wouldn't necessarily use lightning or other powers very often except as a last resort but that's another disucssion.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Who brought up Desak? Young Thor used lightning against Gorr far before modern Thor absorbed the God Bomb.Actually, it was one big lightning bolt but why does it matter? Hercules was down. I was talking about his weather powers. Also, now that you mention the Hulk, Thor used a lightning bolt to one-shot him as well:
Like I keep telling you repeatedly: Thor, if we also include his weather powers is most definitely High Herald even without Mjolnir. Simply way too much power there at his disposal. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that he'd win all match ups as I think he'd mostly be a brick but it's simply too much power for him not to qualify for High Herald, sorry.
You could make a separate case for averages as Thor wouldn't necessarily use lightning or other powers very often except as a last resort but that's another disucssion.
Called down by mjolnir and a sneak shot. Earlier in the story Hulk was drooped on his knees after a lightning attack which he saw coming but wasn't knocked out. Thor can knock out people with sneak attacks, alright.
And who said I wasn't using averages here? Thor seldom uses lightning without mjolnir.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Typo. Edited it. And that lightning dropped Gorr? Man, what a pussy if that's true.Called down by mjolnir and a sneak shot. Earlier in the story Hulk was drooped on his knees after a lightning attack which he saw coming but wasn't knocked out. Thor can knock out people with sneak attacks, alright.
And who said I wasn't using averages here? Thor seldom uses lightning without mjolnir.
Yes, Gorr is such a pussy, slaughtering entire pantheons like cattle. 😂
Actually, he specifically summons it with a wave of his hand, pay attention. It's almost as if Thor's powers can summon more powerful lightning! Also a sneak attack? Hulk was attacking Thor from behind, lol.
But in almost every situation where he's not had his hammer and physical might was not sufficient, he did use his lightning. 🙂
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, Gorr is such a pussy, slaughtering entire pantheons like cattle. 😂Actually, he specifically summons it with a wave of his hand, pay attention. It's almost as if Thor's powers can summon more powerful lightning! Also a sneak attack? Hulk was attacking Thor from behind, lol.
But in almost every situation where he's not had his hammer and physical might was not sufficient, he did use his lightning. 🙂
Thor has made such motions before while he was using mjolnir to call down lightning. Yes, it was an attack from the back. Mjolnir amplifies his weather powers, right? Thor used a lightning attack from mjolnir in the same issue and it only brought hulk to his knees.
And it has varying success over the year. It is enough to bring him in the mid tier but without mjolnir nearly every high herald would stomp his ass.
